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you're in the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio now here's

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Jean Steinberg so this week on the power

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cast we are celebrating Halloween

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weekend and the reason we're celebrating

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the weekend and not the day is because

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Halloween was on a Friday this show is

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being heard on a Sunday so we are

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magnanimous people here and we're doing

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it for the entire weekend now Chris

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O'Brien is on assignment somewhere in

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New York and he's having problems

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getting Skype to work on his iPhone now

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if he does get to work we'll hear from

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him later otherwise we'll figure it out

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evidently it might be a problem with

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this infamous iOS 8 the latest software

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from Apple and he probably just needs to

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update it it's complicated I don't want

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to get into technology stuff here if you

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want to hear my rantings on technology

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we have another radio show called tech

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night and live and you can hear all that

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stuff there and we have all the experts

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and we answer everything so instead of

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Chris our guest co-host is one of our

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forum moderators gods Makai Cox hey Joon

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gene yep good to be here um always got

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to help out and Jim Chris can't be here

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so far but you know maybe he'll check in

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a bit later and good to be talking to

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Mike again so we have Micah Hanks and

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this is kind of our Halloween weekend

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show as I've said and Micah of course

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has an interesting icon or avatar on

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skype it's a green alien because he of

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course has a site called the graylien

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report Micah thank you for joining us

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kind of as for notice here and I assume

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you have great Halloween stories to

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present to us I always have great

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stories I hope to be able to represent

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for you guys here on the pair of cast

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glad to be here by the way whether it's

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short notice or long term just glad to

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be able to be in here joining you guys

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on this show well I know lately you've

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been doing a lot of work to improve your

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website it does seem to run mite faster

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there does it not I hope you don't mind

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me going ahead and just saying that you

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know you've been instrumental in helping

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me to migrate

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had numerous difficulties which funny

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enough around the time of October every

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year starts happening but I've got a

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good feeling that next year it's not

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gonna be the case because I've migrated

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the the gray Lee and report my personal

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site my middle theory website they're

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all over on the Namecheap servers very

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happily so proudly so and Thank You Jean

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Steinberg for all your help with that

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that's been a real really a much less

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stressful experience of migrating those

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sites than I thought it would be and of

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instrumental and all that so good times

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thank you very much I think the person

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who has to be thanked there is named

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sheeps web hosting guru guy named Matt

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Russell from the UK and he has things

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organized really well there that's why

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we were able to get this thing done in

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record time and the only thing I will

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say in criticism is watch out for web

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international group if you do the

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Wikipedia you'll finally unlike several

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low-cost data center and service goes

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down the tubes and they were going to

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recommend our partner name cheap anyway

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Halloween now we so much might go talk

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you're doing so many things about UFOs

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intertwined maybe they are gene on all

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saying your defense in the past you know

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like an infomercial I'm being honest I

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mean the peer cast is one of the few

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shows that I'll listen to regularly and

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the reason being is because I think it's

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very content rich and the guests are

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people who are knowledgeable you guys do

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really conducive to actually getting

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not many shows do that you've also had

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chocolate but I think that yeah a love

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for chocolate did you know that yeah did

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the unexplained he also I believe does

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chocolate taste testings and wrote this

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something that he's taken interest in is

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chocolate well you know I'm not exactly

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an expert although I do prefer you know

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quality dark chocolate and every now and

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town like Asheville like I do there are

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chocolate to what we're talking about

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today come on Halloween candy right okay

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receptors I believe and I think that

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all those theories but what I wrote in

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relation to ghosts because again

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tradition of ghosts this is something

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traditions and it's something that's

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case that a lot of fairy folklore a lot

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tradition of UFOs throughout human

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culture in history just as well but I I

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the cultural lens that we have the

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technologies afforded us in this

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information age whereas it may not

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those things that it may have existed in

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ancient times so we definitely have a

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tradition of ghosts I think and that is

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remain consistent we can interpret

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know about all this is really it all may

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be something entirely removed from what

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dead person any more than we can say UFO

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is an actual alien spacecraft all these

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over the years that we may be dealing

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control mechanism that actually affects

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us and perhaps even helps us adapt and

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evolve for all we know

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indeed the kind of ghostly or

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apparitional forms that we see both in

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be very similar in this in the sense

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that they could be something that is

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business or it's the person who died in

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the house a hundred years ago but keeps

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cogs a chance in a typical way from the

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so we're talking here about the common

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dead is that just a convenient thing or

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a ghosts basically manifesting

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themselves in a way that is not what

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that

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just just quickly going back to the last

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question about is there any connection

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between ghosts and UFOs well I do seem

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to be aware of a few cases of possibly

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alien abduction and there seems to be

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additional hi strange aspects going on

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with multiple paranormal events whether

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they're all connected or not who really

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knows but I suppose you have the idea of

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just even a nighttime visitation of

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anything and we all know from the kind

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of sleep paralysis idea of the past of

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you know the hog on the chest and

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basically various kinds of devilish

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ghoulish entities coming to people when

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they're kind of at their most vulnerable

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in bed at night half asleep whatever

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some people think alien abduction is

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just an extension of the same idea and

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it's not really et's from you know

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another planet the more us the more time

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passes that I'm interested in in these

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kind of subjects I'm definitely leaning

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towards the idea that there might be one

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or very few overall paranormal forces if

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you like that manifest in different ways

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because I find it harder to believe that

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there is aliens from another planet

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there's other kinds of aliens there's

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ghosts there are demons that are this

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that are that there are all the things

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going on as skinwalker ranch there are

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hauntings I find it hard to believe that

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there are so many completely distinct

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part of normal happenings that's if they

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do exist from whatever the source to me

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it's amazing that it's just such a huge

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variety of things going on so just for

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my simple brain it's easy to it's easier

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to imagine that they're all coming from

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very few sources but just manifest in

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different ways I don't really have any

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proof of that other than to me it's

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illogical to think that there are a

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million different things going on with a

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million different sources so ghosts and

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UFOs yes to me that to me there is a

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link but it's it's not maybe a causal

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link but but there does seem to be to me

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there has to be something behind all

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these things if true and there has to be

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a link at least if you go further back

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maybe not right at the forefront of is

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there a link between ghosts and an alien

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or UFOs but going back a few steps gonna

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I think there would have to be under I

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think it was really cases like

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skinwalker ranch and there are a few

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others but they're where there seem to

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be multiple types of events going on and

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I just can't believe that these places

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these hotspots portal areas whatever you

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want to call them I cannot believe that

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they are just Grand Central Station

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four completely distinct part of normal

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events I really think there has to be

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something linking it all Myka you want

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to chime in I'd love to yeah you know as

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a matter of fact actually building off

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of what God says because I I agree you

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know for the most part with that and

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good observations they're cogs you know

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III think that um and again this is

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entirely speculative and as much as any

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disk

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of paranormal phenomena I think that

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people love the mainstream academic mind

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would look at something like this and

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say okay but that's still not of any

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merit because it's speculative but again

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physicists speculate and speculative

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physics has actually been the foundation

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for parts of our understanding of the

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universe especially when we utilize

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placeholders the likes of dark matter

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and things like this

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to kind of you know describe what we

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cannot perceive fully about the universe

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and yet the observable effects of which

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we certainly can observe so in

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speculating and stating it is such I

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think that it's very possible that and I

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think that both philosophy and certain

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aspects of our modern physics are

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pointing more and more in the direction

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of the universe itself kind of being an

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informational matrix a lattice of sorts

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that human consciousness or any kind of

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a conscious perception is capable of

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interacting with and if that were the

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case based on the laws of the universe

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one interesting observation that we can

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make is that as Stephen Hawking love him

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or hate him as he said in a brief

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history of time he noted that well

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actually he poses at first as a question

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why can we remember the past but we

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don't remember what occurs in the future

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and I've used this argument in relation

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to UFOs before but really it works maybe

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even better with regard to the classical

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idea of a haunting when we perceive a

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ghost

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traditionally what is perceived is some

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aspect what appears to be apparitional

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that is apart from the physical body of

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an individual ie they are deceased that

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seems to linger into the present and a

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person in the here-and-now can see an

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individual who may be long dead but they

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appear before them in a sort of

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transient apparitional form now Hawking

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had talked toward the end of his book

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about the arrow of time specifically the

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thermodynamic arrow of time and he

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believes that if indeed there was a big

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bang in the universes outwardly

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expanding ever outward there is a

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response to this initial formation of

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the universe that occurred at the time

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of this Big Bang but the physicists

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theorize about that essentially we

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remembered the past and not the future

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because the way that our minds have

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evolved to be oriented in relation to

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space and time

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we remember and we perceive space and

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time in the same way or direction

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thermodynamically in

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entropy increases and so the argument

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that and you can read more about that in

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his book but the argument that Hawking

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would make is that literally

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thermodynamic laws allow for us and in

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relation to the way that the brain works

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in relation to the force we recognize as

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entropy we can literally remember the

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past but we don't remember the future

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because of thermodynamic laws now if

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that's the case it might stand to reason

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that what people perceive as being

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apparitional forms much like a memory of

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the past that one might have these are

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also in terms of what we understand

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about physics at least in keeping with

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the idea that aspects of the past could

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be related but maybe not the future now

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it becomes a much more different and

540
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perhaps perplexing argument when we

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start talking about premonitions psychic

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phenomenon and what some have actually

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theorized which is that UFOs may

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actually be apparitional forms emanating

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from the future that again is entirely

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speculative and we could go down that

547
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road but for the case of noting that

548
00:21:58,049 --> 00:21:56,320
maybe while not all people can perceive

549
00:22:00,270 --> 00:21:58,059
premonitions of the future many believe

550
00:22:02,220 --> 00:22:00,280
that they can maybe some actually do we

551
00:22:03,180 --> 00:22:02,230
do all have memory we do all remember

552
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things that have happened in the past

553
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and if there is some sort of a

554
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thermodynamic orientation between

555
00:22:11,250 --> 00:22:09,070
consciousness the human brain and

556
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space-time that allows for that maybe it

557
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allows for the apparitional forms to

558
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appear from time to time - let's look of

559
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course at the reality of this and that

560
00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:21,309
is as you say the way the laws of

561
00:22:27,090 --> 00:22:25,090
physics go we can perceive the past

562
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remember the past but we can't see into

563
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the future of course that has lot of

564
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complications and there are some people

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who claim to be able to see the future

566
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let's talk about that we have Micah

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Hanks from the graylien report joining

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us with Jean and our guest co-host this

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giving a continental flair to the para

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cast we have cogs Makai we're talking to

671
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Micah Hanks of course Chris O'Brien's on

672
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special assignment in New York and he's

673
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having all sorts of difficulty getting

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Skype to work on iphone 5s it's not

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downloading fully and it's become very

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frustrating if Chris can fix it we'll

677
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talk to him later otherwise we'll just

678
00:27:42,650 --> 00:27:39,390
continue as we go alright so Micah we

679
00:27:44,270 --> 00:27:42,660
can remember events in the past but some

680
00:27:46,190 --> 00:27:44,280
people claim to see the future are they

681
00:27:48,890 --> 00:27:46,200
really seeing the future do they imagine

682
00:27:50,390 --> 00:27:48,900
it what to be honest and this may a lot

683
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:50,400
of psychics but I think that a lot of

684
00:27:53,330 --> 00:27:51,930
people are imagining those things I

685
00:27:56,090 --> 00:27:53,340
don't think that all people are

686
00:27:58,040 --> 00:27:56,100
imagining premonitions of the future I

687
00:27:59,360 --> 00:27:58,050
mean I personally am NOT a person who

688
00:28:01,340 --> 00:27:59,370
claims to be psychic but I have

689
00:28:03,410 --> 00:28:01,350
certainly had what I would call

690
00:28:04,820 --> 00:28:03,420
premonitions or maybe I feel more

691
00:28:06,860 --> 00:28:04,830
comfortable referring to them kind of in

692
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:06,870
the Union since as synchronicities a

693
00:28:11,450 --> 00:28:09,450
meaningful coincidence where an idea or

694
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:11,460
a thought comes to mind and it seems to

695
00:28:16,700 --> 00:28:13,650
have a direct relationship with a future

696
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:16,710
event so in terms of the idea of the

697
00:28:19,730 --> 00:28:18,570
meaningful coincidence you know of

698
00:28:21,500 --> 00:28:19,740
course Jung coined that term

699
00:28:23,330 --> 00:28:21,510
synchronicity but it was expounded upon

700
00:28:25,550 --> 00:28:23,340
very brilliantly I think by the late

701
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:25,560
Arthur Kessler in his book the roots of

702
00:28:30,310 --> 00:28:27,810
coincidence which is really I think one

703
00:28:33,050 --> 00:28:30,320
of the best scientific or academic

704
00:28:35,180 --> 00:28:33,060
examinations of purported paranormal and

705
00:28:37,610 --> 00:28:35,190
psychic phenomena now Kessler of course

706
00:28:39,020 --> 00:28:37,620
was best known for being a novelist he

707
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:39,030
wrote darkness at noon and of course he

708
00:28:42,710 --> 00:28:40,410
was a political commentator he was

709
00:28:44,510 --> 00:28:42,720
actually somewhat criticized not only by

710
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:44,520
his you know people with his peers that

711
00:28:48,470 --> 00:28:46,170
throughout his life but even I think his

712
00:28:50,330 --> 00:28:48,480
his biographer dr. Michaels scandal kind

713
00:28:52,550 --> 00:28:50,340
of in that extensive biography about

714
00:28:54,140 --> 00:28:52,560
Kessler kind of played down the fact

715
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:54,150
that later in his life Arthur Kessler or

716
00:28:57,290 --> 00:28:55,050
curse slurs it would have been

717
00:28:59,300 --> 00:28:57,300
pronounced in the German he was actively

718
00:29:01,130 --> 00:28:59,310
involved in parapsychological research

719
00:29:02,990 --> 00:29:01,140
so one of the greatest political minds

720
00:29:04,850 --> 00:29:03,000
of the 20th century actually time of his

721
00:29:06,830 --> 00:29:04,860
death it was a mutual suicide pact

722
00:29:09,170 --> 00:29:06,840
between he and his wife he actually left

723
00:29:11,060 --> 00:29:09,180
his estate for the foundation of what

724
00:29:13,070 --> 00:29:11,070
became a belief in God you may know more

725
00:29:14,990 --> 00:29:13,080
about this it's believe it's in Scotland

726
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:15,000
but it's not there someplace in Europe

727
00:29:18,290 --> 00:29:16,410
it's the Kessler psychological

728
00:29:20,330 --> 00:29:18,300
parapsychological unit it was founded

729
00:29:22,550 --> 00:29:20,340
and actually is still maintained today

730
00:29:24,620 --> 00:29:22,560
much like the Ryan center here in North

731
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:24,630
Carolina where I live and so it's very

732
00:29:27,590 --> 00:29:25,770
interesting that yeah

733
00:29:29,510 --> 00:29:27,600
again when we examine kessler's approach

734
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:29,520
to studying the roots of coincidence you

735
00:29:33,050 --> 00:29:31,170
know again there seems to be a physical

736
00:29:35,660 --> 00:29:33,060
component that can be attributed to what

737
00:29:37,790 --> 00:29:35,670
some people I do believe gene actually

738
00:29:39,590 --> 00:29:37,800
experience as premonitions or meaningful

739
00:29:41,210 --> 00:29:39,600
coincidences that seem to orient

740
00:29:43,220 --> 00:29:41,220
themselves with the present day right

741
00:29:45,140 --> 00:29:43,230
here in this moment mind and future

742
00:29:46,850 --> 00:29:45,150
events and and I certainly don't rule

743
00:29:49,100 --> 00:29:46,860
out the possibility that some people

744
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:49,110
experience that and some people are are

745
00:29:52,970 --> 00:29:51,090
quite good at it in other words they are

746
00:29:54,410 --> 00:29:52,980
what we would call psychics but I think

747
00:29:56,390 --> 00:29:54,420
the majority of people who claim to be

748
00:29:57,890 --> 00:29:56,400
probably are believing their own hype

749
00:29:59,390 --> 00:29:57,900
and buying into that a little too

750
00:30:01,190 --> 00:29:59,400
heavily and I think that there are

751
00:30:03,530 --> 00:30:01,200
people who can do that who have actually

752
00:30:05,420 --> 00:30:03,540
made successful careers out of believing

753
00:30:06,980 --> 00:30:05,430
their own Hyper at very least pulling

754
00:30:09,530 --> 00:30:06,990
the wool over the eyes of others II

755
00:30:11,420 --> 00:30:09,540
wonder if sometimes someone has an

756
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:11,430
experience and occasionally they do see

757
00:30:14,780 --> 00:30:13,050
something but they shouldn't be able to

758
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:14,790
see but it's not something they can

759
00:30:20,090 --> 00:30:16,650
repeat but when they realize they can

760
00:30:23,660 --> 00:30:20,100
get praise attention make money from it

761
00:30:27,770 --> 00:30:23,670
they will mix the fake and the real do

762
00:30:30,980 --> 00:30:27,780
we have have there been any verified

763
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:30,990
instances of psychic predictions that

764
00:30:37,460 --> 00:30:33,930
have come true specific enough to get

765
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:37,470
away from just being random because you

766
00:30:42,620 --> 00:30:39,930
know in the last twenty years or so I've

767
00:30:45,500 --> 00:30:42,630
read the odd piece that may state that

768
00:30:49,460 --> 00:30:45,510
yes this person claimed to have first

769
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:49,470
saw 9/11 or Kennedy being shot John

770
00:30:53,510 --> 00:30:51,570
Lennon whatever they never seem to be

771
00:30:56,150 --> 00:30:53,520
able to provide proof that you know they

772
00:30:58,370 --> 00:30:56,160
publicly told other people long before

773
00:31:01,910 --> 00:30:58,380
the event it's after the advance this is

774
00:31:05,150 --> 00:31:01,920
so I'm not aware of anyone who's come

775
00:31:07,340 --> 00:31:05,160
close to proving that but coming to the

776
00:31:08,150 --> 00:31:07,350
synchronicity and meaningful meaningful

777
00:31:12,230 --> 00:31:08,160
events thing

778
00:31:14,540 --> 00:31:12,240
I wonder how deja vu may tie into this

779
00:31:17,180 --> 00:31:14,550
and now I know there are various

780
00:31:19,910 --> 00:31:17,190
scientific psychological explanations

781
00:31:22,550 --> 00:31:19,920
for what deja vu may be I've got a very

782
00:31:25,310 --> 00:31:22,560
quick personal example it doesn't prove

783
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:25,320
anything but to me it went a little bit

784
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:28,170
beyond what normally happens and not

785
00:31:33,470 --> 00:31:30,570
simply as I went when I was about 13 I

786
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:33,480
went to visit my friend I'd met up in my

787
00:31:38,420 --> 00:31:36,210
hometown down in his hometown in a part

788
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:38,430
of Scotland I've never been before not

789
00:31:41,780 --> 00:31:39,450
even close

790
00:31:43,700 --> 00:31:41,790
and as I got there and let exited the

791
00:31:45,410 --> 00:31:43,710
train station with him and he only lived

792
00:31:47,930 --> 00:31:45,420
a couple of streets away so we were on

793
00:31:50,210 --> 00:31:47,940
fruit we're about to round a corner and

794
00:31:52,610 --> 00:31:50,220
I suddenly got that classic deja vu

795
00:31:54,650 --> 00:31:52,620
feeling but before I carted on round a

796
00:31:57,710 --> 00:31:54,660
corner I stopped and spoke to my friend

797
00:32:00,500 --> 00:31:57,720
and I said I'm getting deja vu to snow

798
00:32:02,630 --> 00:32:00,510
and I am convinced I know what it looks

799
00:32:03,020 --> 00:32:02,640
like around the corner before I got

800
00:32:11,690 --> 00:32:03,030
there

801
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:11,700
it was absolutely spot on

802
00:32:16,910 --> 00:32:14,370
if there are any rational explanations

803
00:32:18,980 --> 00:32:16,920
for this and I'm somewhere kind of

804
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:18,990
kidding myself you know fair enough

805
00:32:23,150 --> 00:32:20,610
because I've heard that deja vu is

806
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:23,160
sometimes just the brain tricking itself

807
00:32:27,830 --> 00:32:25,770
into thinking that you've seen something

808
00:32:29,450 --> 00:32:27,840
before it's kind of putting the cart

809
00:32:32,270 --> 00:32:29,460
before the horse psychologically I

810
00:32:34,750 --> 00:32:32,280
suppose but just for this one time it

811
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:34,760
seemed like I could stop and actually

812
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:38,730
take my time say no any possibility of

813
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:41,250
my brain going round the wrong way I'm

814
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:43,770
going to tell you I think is round they

815
00:32:47,990 --> 00:32:45,810
are in a place I've never seen before in

816
00:32:50,090 --> 00:32:48,000
my life I suppose someone could say it

817
00:32:52,580 --> 00:32:50,100
was a you know photos from a book or

818
00:32:54,620 --> 00:32:52,590
something before but it wasn't a feeling

819
00:32:57,050 --> 00:32:54,630
that I remembering the photo it was a

820
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feeling of I've rounded this corner

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before so Micah what what do you think

822
00:33:04,250 --> 00:33:02,130
about synchronicity meaningful events

823
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:04,260
and deja vu this includes any connection

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or one's just a biological kind of

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makeup again dogs I see that you and I

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perceive what many would call a psychic

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experience as being something more

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similar least akin to our own

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observation and perception of it the

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deja vu

831
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component is a very interesting thing

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and I should say by the way when you

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mentioned that there was a psychological

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approach to you know the idea that the

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brain can trick itself if you're in

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psychology 101 what you'll learn about

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is hindsight bias which is the term that

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they actually use for this the idea that

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essentially neurons or synapses I guess

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more appropriately or firing in such a

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way that from time to time it creates

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and confuses the mind into thinking that

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a actual perceived event had been known

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prior to actual observation this is this

845
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isn't psychological terms what what

846
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hindsight bias means and what they offer

847
00:33:55,909 --> 00:33:53,220
as an explanation for deja vu but

848
00:33:58,430 --> 00:33:55,919
there are some historical instances that

849
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seem to be a little more indicative of

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possibly someone and some people having

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an ability to perceive things that are

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happening maybe elsewhere in the world

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but the far enough removed from where

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they are that they shouldn't have been

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00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:09,990
able to know this a notable example from

856
00:34:14,359 --> 00:34:12,090
history is emanuel swedenborg a guy who

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of course is very interesting in all

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different kinds of realms of thought

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with regard to the unexplained

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supernatural and whatnot

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Swedenborg purportedly was at a dinner

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one evening when he said that he saw a

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fire breaking out and it was beginning

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to consume a block of houses and and he

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had accurately predicted a fire I

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believe that almost consumed his home

867
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but that was put out prior to the actual

868
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fire reaching that residence so that's

869
00:34:39,169 --> 00:34:36,750
an interesting story and again that was

870
00:34:41,330 --> 00:34:39,179
purportedly documented that he had added

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dinner miles away suddenly stopped

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during this dinner and and described

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00:34:46,849 --> 00:34:45,060
what was happening and but said no no no

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need to be concerned the fire hasn't

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reached my home if I'm remembering that

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00:34:51,109 --> 00:34:49,830
correctly and folks can look that up

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online there's information about it

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elsewhere

879
00:34:56,180 --> 00:34:53,669
no doubt if we were to complete a survey

880
00:34:57,560 --> 00:34:56,190
of parapsychological experiences there

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00:34:59,990 --> 00:34:57,570
probably would have been meaningful

882
00:35:02,390 --> 00:35:00,000
coincidences deja vu and other a

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00:35:03,260 --> 00:35:02,400
recognition of strange happenings along

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the lines of what we might call

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precognition that can be defined but you

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00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:07,770
know a point that I think again

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philosophically and also in terms of

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kind of the politics of all this that I

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think has to be made guys more often

890
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than not when you see skeptics who are

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saying that there's no evidence they

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will say that but they nine times out of

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ten I find have not actually taken time

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to read the literature about the subject

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00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:27,330
that they're claiming does not exist or

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could not happen something that you find

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that's interesting among what I would

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00:35:35,210 --> 00:35:32,520
call maybe the three of us and others

899
00:35:37,820 --> 00:35:35,220
you know in this community who are maybe

900
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50 60 70 percent skeptical but still

901
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have an open mind about this phenomena

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00:35:44,180 --> 00:35:41,550
open-minded enough to at least examine

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it and allow it some possibilities I

904
00:35:48,170 --> 00:35:46,380
find that people like us will read

905
00:35:50,570 --> 00:35:48,180
skeptical literature you know I in fact

906
00:35:52,820 --> 00:35:50,580
many would cringe but I own the skeptics

907
00:35:54,260 --> 00:35:52,830
dictionary you know I've read psych op

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you know publications over the years

909
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skeptical Inquirer I follow what the

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skeptics have to say because I find that

911
00:36:02,089 --> 00:35:59,580
they present a meaningful argument I

912
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also read the 40 in literature the

913
00:36:05,720 --> 00:36:03,720
parapsychological literature I get it

914
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from both and it allows one the ability

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to contrast and

916
00:36:09,750 --> 00:36:08,200
pear I don't want to make a general

917
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statement but often when I've spoken to

918
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many skeptics they will make the case

919
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against but they have not actually read

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the literature that might support the

921
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idea that indeed for instance with

922
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:18,520
precognition maybe there is a rich

923
00:36:22,230 --> 00:36:19,810
history of people who have made these

924
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claims it's just it's anecdotal history

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00:36:25,590 --> 00:36:23,830
and again if it doesn't satisfy the mind

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of the physics professor or the

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biologist or the geologist it's not

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going to be something that

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scientifically can be replicated and

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accounted for

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we have Micah Hanks we have our guest

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co-host cogsa Makai one of the members

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of our forms of forum got the power cast

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calm but right now we're talking about a

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variety of subjects the power normal

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merger of different phenomena and

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weather it all stems from the same

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source also talking about synchronicity

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but the other thing of course is that

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when it comes to recognition of strange

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events you'll find that people may be

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willing to accept the possibility of

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UFOs but as soon as you get into

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anything that goes beyond that ghosts

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poltergeist phenomena even Bigfoot they

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can't accept it I understand and I

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suppose for people who don't generally

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accept anything paranormal but maybe

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leave a little bit opener for themselves

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to the possibility to UFOs I suppose you

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could explain that by well if UFOs are

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solid you know nuts-and-bolts craft and

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they're coming from another planet kind

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of there isn't actually anything part of

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normal there in that it can't be

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explained if you knew it to be the truth

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kind of but the other things in part

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normal ghosts that's such a non-physical

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thing I suppose some people would have

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some difficulty a lot but it's kind of

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funny that you get people who say they

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don't believe in ghosts

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but there may be Christians and I often

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say the Bible is one of the most part of

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normal books out there one thing it's

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interesting I suppose about the whole

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subject is since the earliest writing

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ever on clay tablets whatever cylinder

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seals people have been talking about

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ghosts so it's definitely not a new

1090
00:43:29,350 --> 00:43:27,110
thing and you got to wonder

1091
00:43:33,330 --> 00:43:29,360
you know before there was ever any

1092
00:43:36,610 --> 00:43:33,340
influence of Holyrood of literature

1093
00:43:40,300 --> 00:43:36,620
comics whatever that people are claiming

1094
00:43:43,990 --> 00:43:40,310
to see spirits of dead people are at

1095
00:43:48,130 --> 00:43:44,000
least non-physical beings and without

1096
00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:48,140
any kind of cultural contamination where

1097
00:43:54,580 --> 00:43:50,050
does this come from you've obviously got

1098
00:43:59,620 --> 00:43:54,590
passed on from people but initially

1099
00:44:01,630 --> 00:43:59,630
where did it come from so I I believe I

1100
00:44:04,330 --> 00:44:01,640
saw I've seen an apparition and I saw it

1101
00:44:07,030 --> 00:44:04,340
with one other person but I'm completely

1102
00:44:10,030 --> 00:44:07,040
open to the idea that I got it all wrong

1103
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:10,040
but another another thing is I suppose

1104
00:44:14,830 --> 00:44:12,650
that people people some people want

1105
00:44:18,100 --> 00:44:14,840
definitely to believe in but it's an

1106
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:18,110
ghosts because once you get to the point

1107
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:20,330
in life where you've as we all do you've

1108
00:44:26,620 --> 00:44:23,330
lost people that you love it's nice and

1109
00:44:29,020 --> 00:44:26,630
comforting to think that after bodily

1110
00:44:31,810 --> 00:44:29,030
death the consciousness may continue in

1111
00:44:33,820 --> 00:44:31,820
another form so sometimes I think a bit

1112
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:33,830
like how religion can be a bit of a

1113
00:44:38,740 --> 00:44:36,410
crutch for explaining and putting in a

1114
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:38,750
box all the questions about the universe

1115
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:41,210
life after death the meaning of life all

1116
00:44:46,510 --> 00:44:43,810
that kind of a I suppose ghosts are a

1117
00:44:48,580 --> 00:44:46,520
bit like a crutch like as well because

1118
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:48,590
if you allow yourself to believe in

1119
00:44:51,820 --> 00:44:49,130
ghosts

1120
00:44:55,030 --> 00:44:51,830
then you're allowing yourself to believe

1121
00:44:58,480 --> 00:44:55,040
that this lifetime and after death might

1122
00:45:00,160 --> 00:44:58,490
not be everything gods I have to say I

1123
00:45:01,750 --> 00:45:00,170
completely agree by the way the sad

1124
00:45:03,790 --> 00:45:01,760
thing is is that while you're absolutely

1125
00:45:06,100 --> 00:45:03,800
right many people look at that

1126
00:45:08,590 --> 00:45:06,110
perception and they say and see this is

1127
00:45:10,090 --> 00:45:08,600
why people believe in ghosts because

1128
00:45:12,460 --> 00:45:10,100
they don't even realize that they're

1129
00:45:13,870 --> 00:45:12,470
doing it they merely want to believe

1130
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:13,880
that there's an afterlife and hence

1131
00:45:16,540 --> 00:45:15,410
although they're perceived as something

1132
00:45:18,490 --> 00:45:16,550
culturally that's supposed to be

1133
00:45:19,930 --> 00:45:18,500
frightening in truth ghosts are the

1134
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:19,940
greatest comfort for those of us who

1135
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:21,530
hope that there is life after death and

1136
00:45:25,150 --> 00:45:22,850
that our loved ones are okay on the

1137
00:45:27,070 --> 00:45:25,160
other side to me while it can be used as

1138
00:45:28,720 --> 00:45:27,080
an argument against ghosts in terms of

1139
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:28,730
the way that people orient themselves in

1140
00:45:32,830 --> 00:45:30,410
terms of belief does little to address

1141
00:45:35,770 --> 00:45:32,840
again the consistency of the narrative

1142
00:45:37,720 --> 00:45:35,780
about ghosts and hauntings in multiple

1143
00:45:40,420 --> 00:45:37,730
cultures worldwide since time immemorial

1144
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:40,430
and furthermore I think that when we

1145
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:40,850
look

1146
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:42,770
the way that the belief element there

1147
00:45:46,570 --> 00:45:44,810
influences perception of the phenomenon

1148
00:45:48,250 --> 00:45:46,580
it brings us back to the fact that as

1149
00:45:51,190 --> 00:45:48,260
I've said time and time again and I've

1150
00:45:51,850 --> 00:45:51,200
had many more wise individuals expressed

1151
00:45:54,850 --> 00:45:51,860
to me

1152
00:45:56,710 --> 00:45:54,860
what we need to do and what we may what

1153
00:45:58,390 --> 00:45:56,720
may even be requisite in terms of

1154
00:46:00,430 --> 00:45:58,400
understanding the various phenomena

1155
00:46:02,980 --> 00:46:00,440
around us is rather than seeking to

1156
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:02,990
explain them away in terms of psychology

1157
00:46:08,350 --> 00:46:05,810
we need to acknowledge the psychological

1158
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:08,360
tendencies toward belief that we use to

1159
00:46:12,580 --> 00:46:10,130
orient ourselves in relation to these

1160
00:46:14,230 --> 00:46:12,590
phenomena either in terms of you know

1161
00:46:16,210 --> 00:46:14,240
what we believe about them spiritually

1162
00:46:18,220 --> 00:46:16,220
religiously or otherwise or the belief

1163
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:18,230
that they simply could not exist because

1164
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:20,530
they don't conform to modern scientific

1165
00:46:24,940 --> 00:46:22,490
jurisdictions at least in terms of what

1166
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:24,950
we have counted for thusly and thus far

1167
00:46:29,050 --> 00:46:26,810
what's really important is that we have

1168
00:46:30,580 --> 00:46:29,060
to we have to kind of unlearn what we

1169
00:46:31,210 --> 00:46:30,590
think we know about various phenomena is

1170
00:46:33,220 --> 00:46:31,220
a ghost

1171
00:46:34,660 --> 00:46:33,230
we have culturally and historically and

1172
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:34,670
traditionally perceived it as being a

1173
00:46:39,190 --> 00:46:37,010
spirit of a dead person maybe not is a

1174
00:46:40,930 --> 00:46:39,200
UFO an alien spacecraft from another

1175
00:46:42,010 --> 00:46:40,940
planet maybe not and this is where it

1176
00:46:44,350 --> 00:46:42,020
gets really interesting is when you

1177
00:46:46,690 --> 00:46:44,360
apply the same logic to what we might

1178
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:46,700
call you know cryptozoological creatures

1179
00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:48,050
and things Bigfoot I think being the

1180
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:50,090
most popular example people people will

1181
00:46:53,380 --> 00:46:51,770
often I find make the case that a

1182
00:46:56,110 --> 00:46:53,390
creature like Bigfoot simply could not

1183
00:46:58,300 --> 00:46:56,120
exist whereas again we're talking about

1184
00:47:00,880 --> 00:46:58,310
something that is so much like a human

1185
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:00,890
being and yet human beings populate the

1186
00:47:04,930 --> 00:47:02,570
entire planet so really what about a

1187
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:04,940
Bigfoot could not exist what we what we

1188
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:07,370
cannot account for and what I think

1189
00:47:11,620 --> 00:47:09,410
presents the breakdown in the minds of

1190
00:47:14,140 --> 00:47:11,630
many of the skeptical ilk is that for a

1191
00:47:15,670 --> 00:47:14,150
Bigfoot to exist even though it is so

1192
00:47:18,340 --> 00:47:15,680
much like us and we know that we exist

1193
00:47:20,710 --> 00:47:18,350
this creature could not possibly exist

1194
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:20,720
without being seen and again it's funny

1195
00:47:23,830 --> 00:47:22,370
that people will say how could this

1196
00:47:27,190 --> 00:47:23,840
creature exist if nobody ever sees it

1197
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:27,200
and in fact there are numerous probably

1198
00:47:29,710 --> 00:47:28,010
too many to count

1199
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:29,720
anecdotal references to reports that

1200
00:47:33,430 --> 00:47:31,610
occur every year in virtually every

1201
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:33,440
state in North America or in the United

1202
00:47:36,010 --> 00:47:34,850
States and then all of course you know

1203
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:36,020
Canada and other parts of North America

1204
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:37,610
but not just in the North North America

1205
00:47:41,950 --> 00:47:40,130
but literally all around the world at

1206
00:47:43,720 --> 00:47:41,960
times throughout history we have seen

1207
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:43,730
time and time again whether it being and

1208
00:47:46,870 --> 00:47:45,170
earth all and of course what were once

1209
00:47:48,940 --> 00:47:46,880
referred to as cro-magnon you know

1210
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:48,950
Paranthropus meg anthropos different

1211
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:50,930
varieties of hominids our ancient

1212
00:47:54,279 --> 00:47:53,210
ancestors existed in different parts of

1213
00:47:55,959 --> 00:47:54,289
the world but at the

1214
00:47:57,339 --> 00:47:55,969
same time in conjunction with one

1215
00:47:58,959 --> 00:47:57,349
another at different periods throughout

1216
00:48:00,819 --> 00:47:58,969
history could it not be the case that

1217
00:48:03,189 --> 00:48:00,829
something like that is happening right

1218
00:48:05,499 --> 00:48:03,199
here right now today again nothing about

1219
00:48:07,419 --> 00:48:05,509
the existence of a Bigfoot to me seems

1220
00:48:08,979 --> 00:48:07,429
too far removed from the possible it's

1221
00:48:11,589 --> 00:48:08,989
just the way that I think people try to

1222
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:11,599
orient their minds around belief in

1223
00:48:14,409 --> 00:48:13,130
these kinds of things and so really if

1224
00:48:16,359 --> 00:48:14,419
we want to understand unexplained

1225
00:48:17,919 --> 00:48:16,369
phenomena we can't just throw the baby

1226
00:48:19,449 --> 00:48:17,929
out with the bathwater some of this

1227
00:48:21,279 --> 00:48:19,459
stuff may be imaginary and we have to

1228
00:48:23,799 --> 00:48:21,289
accept that distinct possibility maybe

1229
00:48:26,409 --> 00:48:23,809
even that likelihood but learning to

1230
00:48:27,699 --> 00:48:26,419
orient ourselves differently in relation

1231
00:48:29,229 --> 00:48:27,709
to how we perceive the phenomenon

1232
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:29,239
learning to think differently about it I

1233
00:48:32,140 --> 00:48:30,410
think that's gonna be the key to

1234
00:48:33,999 --> 00:48:32,150
understanding it well I think the big

1235
00:48:36,039 --> 00:48:34,009
problem we always see in this is that we

1236
00:48:38,559 --> 00:48:36,049
are so inclined to want to view this

1237
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:38,569
stuff in accordance with whatever our

1238
00:48:45,069 --> 00:48:41,410
experience is or what our cultural

1239
00:48:46,900 --> 00:48:45,079
experience is so if we see movies and TV

1240
00:48:49,299 --> 00:48:46,910
shows about people seeing ghosts and

1241
00:48:50,679 --> 00:48:49,309
their spirits of the dead then we kind

1242
00:48:52,959 --> 00:48:50,689
of accept that because we're seeing the

1243
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:52,969
same phenomena well it's that or if we

1244
00:48:56,679 --> 00:48:54,890
see that UFOs are really spaceships

1245
00:48:59,109 --> 00:48:56,689
because that's what the media tells us

1246
00:49:00,969 --> 00:48:59,119
that's what we expect because it seems

1247
00:49:03,249 --> 00:49:00,979
that we have aircraft one step removed

1248
00:49:05,589 --> 00:49:03,259
from what we have well therefore it

1249
00:49:07,689 --> 00:49:05,599
comes from Alpha Centauri the third

1250
00:49:10,269 --> 00:49:07,699
planet of the system or something like

1251
00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:10,279
that so we're being conditioned to

1252
00:49:14,890 --> 00:49:13,130
believe in things that may actually not

1253
00:49:18,909 --> 00:49:14,900
be the case even though there's an

1254
00:49:20,769 --> 00:49:18,919
existing phenomenon absolutely yeah and

1255
00:49:22,989 --> 00:49:20,779
and you know I think that a problem that

1256
00:49:24,279 --> 00:49:22,999
a lot of people have with this sort of

1257
00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:24,289
discussion is is that while we're

1258
00:49:27,189 --> 00:49:25,729
getting very philosophical here gents

1259
00:49:29,380 --> 00:49:27,199
and we can talk about the fact that well

1260
00:49:31,809 --> 00:49:29,390
you know maybe what we need to do to be

1261
00:49:32,979 --> 00:49:31,819
able to study this phenomena is to think

1262
00:49:34,359 --> 00:49:32,989
differently about it maybe it's this

1263
00:49:36,159 --> 00:49:34,369
maybe it's that or maybe it has this

1264
00:49:38,469 --> 00:49:36,169
quite kind of relationship with us and

1265
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:38,479
with consciousness in general people

1266
00:49:41,679 --> 00:49:40,130
while I think this is important to

1267
00:49:43,179 --> 00:49:41,689
discuss I think the front time to time

1268
00:49:44,259 --> 00:49:43,189
people can tend to get bored with it

1269
00:49:45,459 --> 00:49:44,269
because they say but you know what at

1270
00:49:47,609 --> 00:49:45,469
the end of the day we still won't proof

1271
00:49:49,630 --> 00:49:47,619
we want good evidence we want examples

1272
00:49:51,759 --> 00:49:49,640
and again I think that if you're talking

1273
00:49:53,439 --> 00:49:51,769
about UFOs look not the Rendlesham

1274
00:49:55,299 --> 00:49:53,449
forest incident but remember what

1275
00:49:57,640 --> 00:49:55,309
happened there at RAF Bentwaters back in

1276
00:50:00,039 --> 00:49:57,650
the 1950s there was an RAF Bentwaters

1277
00:50:01,599 --> 00:50:00,049
incident that was with regard to radar

1278
00:50:04,479 --> 00:50:01,609
that occurred in the 1950s was there not

1279
00:50:05,739 --> 00:50:04,489
yes yeah okay that would want to clarify

1280
00:50:07,449 --> 00:50:05,749
that because people are going to look at

1281
00:50:08,710 --> 00:50:07,459
that there you go yeah exactly so

1282
00:50:12,069 --> 00:50:08,720
referring to the

1283
00:50:14,620 --> 00:50:12,079
incident that had radar traces that that

1284
00:50:16,359 --> 00:50:14,630
incident again was one that the Condon

1285
00:50:19,180 --> 00:50:16,369
committee in the late 1960s which again

1286
00:50:20,890 --> 00:50:19,190
you know predated the the the famous

1287
00:50:22,690 --> 00:50:20,900
Rendlesham incident by a-- in a number

1288
00:50:24,550 --> 00:50:22,700
of years the Condon committee the

1289
00:50:26,410 --> 00:50:24,560
University of Colorado UFO project

1290
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:26,420
listed this among one of their

1291
00:50:28,990 --> 00:50:27,890
unexplainable 's now again they didn't

1292
00:50:30,460 --> 00:50:29,000
say that that was evidence of

1293
00:50:31,809 --> 00:50:30,470
extraterrestrials they simply said that

1294
00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:31,819
this was an incident that could not be

1295
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:33,530
explained but that seemed to be

1296
00:50:38,230 --> 00:50:35,810
represented by some sort of a tangible

1297
00:50:40,300 --> 00:50:38,240
physical phenomena when we talk about

1298
00:50:41,950 --> 00:50:40,310
Bigfoot again you know many people talk

1299
00:50:43,690 --> 00:50:41,960
about the Patterson Gimlin film and said

1300
00:50:45,579 --> 00:50:43,700
that they think it's a hoax I know that

1301
00:50:47,079 --> 00:50:45,589
Cal korfin Greg long were at this book

1302
00:50:49,059 --> 00:50:47,089
about that a number of years ago where

1303
00:50:50,950 --> 00:50:49,069
even certain facts in the skeptical

1304
00:50:53,500 --> 00:50:50,960
narrative didn't match with one another

1305
00:50:55,150 --> 00:50:53,510
that one had been that that I think that

1306
00:50:56,859 --> 00:50:55,160
Roger Patterson had put the suit

1307
00:50:58,960 --> 00:50:56,869
together himself from horsehide Bob

1308
00:51:00,550 --> 00:50:58,970
hieronymus the man who wore it confused

1309
00:51:02,890 --> 00:51:00,560
with Bob hieronymus the radio show today

1310
00:51:04,780 --> 00:51:02,900
but the retired pepsi-cola bottler from

1311
00:51:06,910 --> 00:51:04,790
Yakima Washington kids said that award

1312
00:51:08,140 --> 00:51:06,920
it was horsehide and that it stunk but

1313
00:51:09,579 --> 00:51:08,150
then there was a guy named Philip Morris

1314
00:51:11,170 --> 00:51:09,589
from right here in Charlotte North

1315
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:11,180
Carolina I'm actually in Asheville up

1316
00:51:14,829 --> 00:51:12,890
the roadways but Philip Morris says that

1317
00:51:16,720 --> 00:51:14,839
he actually supplied the suit to

1318
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:16,730
Patterson and so from time to time the

1319
00:51:20,890 --> 00:51:18,170
skeptical narrative also doesn't

1320
00:51:22,660 --> 00:51:20,900
necessarily completely fit the narrative

1321
00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:22,670
that is purportedly being appended to

1322
00:51:26,319 --> 00:51:24,530
this story I still look at the Patterson

1323
00:51:28,150 --> 00:51:26,329
Gimlin film and say this is a possible

1324
00:51:30,490 --> 00:51:28,160
we'll talk about more possibilities in a

1325
00:51:33,220 --> 00:51:30,500
moment we have Mike de Hanks guest

1326
00:51:37,260 --> 00:51:33,230
co-host cogsa Makai you're in the para

1327
00:51:42,180 --> 00:51:39,580
not just an alternative to the

1328
00:51:45,910 --> 00:51:42,190
mainstream media we're the premier

1329
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:45,920
independent talk radio network we are G

1330
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:49,970
C n this winter next to water and food

1331
00:51:54,790 --> 00:51:52,490
you need a safe storable fuel supply for

1332
00:51:55,750 --> 00:51:54,800
your preparedness needs spare fuel is

1333
00:51:58,030 --> 00:51:55,760
the answer

1334
00:51:59,890 --> 00:51:58,040
unlike gasoline that spare fuel can be

1335
00:52:01,720 --> 00:51:59,900
safely stored with your other supplies

1336
00:52:03,820 --> 00:52:01,730
for many years and works in any

1337
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:03,830
gas-powered vehicle or backup generator

1338
00:52:07,570 --> 00:52:05,450
with the bitterly cold temperatures

1339
00:52:10,090 --> 00:52:07,580
predicted for this winter now is the

1340
00:52:13,090 --> 00:52:10,100
best time to stock up on spare fuel so

1341
00:52:17,770 --> 00:52:13,100
go to get spare fuel calm that's gets

1342
00:52:19,390 --> 00:52:17,780
their fuel calm get spare fuel calm We

1343
00:52:21,490 --> 00:52:19,400
the People grow contin weave fabric

1344
00:52:23,110 --> 00:52:21,500
engraving can bed strips and fibers to

1345
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:23,120
protect from counterfeit and carding to

1346
00:52:25,390 --> 00:52:24,890
a private bank having it led back at

1347
00:52:27,100 --> 00:52:25,400
interest

1348
00:52:28,810 --> 00:52:27,110
forcing taxes to service debt this

1349
00:52:30,430 --> 00:52:28,820
capitalism what was Jefferson correct

1350
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:30,440
when stating a central bank issuing the

1351
00:52:33,190 --> 00:52:32,090
public currency is a greater menace to

1352
00:52:35,260 --> 00:52:33,200
the liberties of the people than a

1353
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:35,270
standing army hi Ted Anderson on placing

1354
00:52:38,500 --> 00:52:36,410
a free silver dollar in a book that

1355
00:52:41,830 --> 00:52:38,510
explains our monetary system call for

1356
00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:41,840
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1385
00:54:03,359 --> 00:53:59,029
welcome back to the para cast the gold

1386
00:54:06,620 --> 00:54:03,369
standard of paranormal radio and now

1387
00:54:13,069 --> 00:54:06,630
here's Jane Steinberg

1388
00:54:14,569 --> 00:54:13,079
I think we missed it gentlemen

1389
00:54:17,390 --> 00:54:14,579
let me tell you something God's Makai

1390
00:54:19,370 --> 00:54:17,400
and Micah Hanks if the Beach Boys needed

1391
00:54:23,870 --> 00:54:19,380
to replace somebody they would not call

1392
00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:23,880
you they wouldn't call me either well

1393
00:54:26,359 --> 00:54:25,170
that means we have to start our own band

1394
00:54:28,579 --> 00:54:26,369
you know Chris O'Brien's a great

1395
00:54:31,160 --> 00:54:28,589
keyboard player yes I know so maybe

1396
00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:31,170
that's it right there yeah I play guitar

1397
00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:33,690
Oh either you are not saying I play

1398
00:54:39,799 --> 00:54:36,930
guitar all these hidden talents we're

1399
00:54:42,319 --> 00:54:39,809
here talking about paranormal phenomena

1400
00:54:44,900 --> 00:54:42,329
about all the ramifications that go

1401
00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:44,910
beyond the surface which is where the

1402
00:54:48,890 --> 00:54:46,650
power cast likes to be we don't just

1403
00:54:50,779 --> 00:54:48,900
want to tell ghost stories although we

1404
00:54:53,150 --> 00:54:50,789
might have Micah give us a few ghost

1405
00:54:55,309 --> 00:54:53,160
stories as we progress and get on to

1406
00:54:57,680 --> 00:54:55,319
other subjects Krista Brian's on special

1407
00:55:00,289 --> 00:54:57,690
assignment somewhere in New York or New

1408
00:55:02,569 --> 00:55:00,299
Jersey in a place where he can't get

1409
00:55:05,690 --> 00:55:02,579
Skype to work and that's Microsoft's

1410
00:55:07,849 --> 00:55:05,700
plot to disable his iPhone because

1411
00:55:10,519 --> 00:55:07,859
Microsoft doesn't like iPhones there's a

1412
00:55:13,609 --> 00:55:10,529
story there's a conspiracy GOG he had a

1413
00:55:15,650 --> 00:55:13,619
point to make yeah I just want to bring

1414
00:55:19,160 --> 00:55:15,660
up a slight change and discussion but

1415
00:55:21,710 --> 00:55:19,170
yeah my point was since as this is a

1416
00:55:23,450 --> 00:55:21,720
Halloween weekend my point being

1417
00:55:28,700 --> 00:55:23,460
Halloween weekend I just wanted to

1418
00:55:31,220 --> 00:55:28,710
quickly bring up for EM thought recently

1419
00:55:33,349 --> 00:55:31,230
I've noticed that I think most people

1420
00:55:36,190 --> 00:55:33,359
would agree that the paranormal in

1421
00:55:41,059 --> 00:55:36,200
general seems to be getting a lot more

1422
00:55:42,980 --> 00:55:41,069
TV airing movies books it does it seems

1423
00:55:44,870 --> 00:55:42,990
to be a more interesting of course the

1424
00:55:46,789 --> 00:55:44,880
Internet and I believe personally that

1425
00:55:49,700 --> 00:55:46,799
it's because of the internet that more

1426
00:55:51,950 --> 00:55:49,710
people are into UFOs into ghosts into

1427
00:55:53,930 --> 00:55:51,960
Bigfoot whatever but what's something

1428
00:55:56,390 --> 00:55:53,940
that's quite interesting to me is that

1429
00:55:58,849 --> 00:55:56,400
there seems to be I think it's because

1430
00:56:01,910 --> 00:55:58,859
of the whole internet thing but I'm sure

1431
00:56:04,220 --> 00:56:01,920
mica has heard of memes like the

1432
00:56:07,370 --> 00:56:04,230
Slenderman things like that but the

1433
00:56:10,130 --> 00:56:07,380
whole subject of demons and demonology

1434
00:56:12,890 --> 00:56:10,140
and demonic possession seems to just

1435
00:56:16,309 --> 00:56:12,900
exploded in the last few years if you

1436
00:56:19,490 --> 00:56:16,319
went back 10 15 20 years ago there would

1437
00:56:20,390 --> 00:56:19,500
be very very few people cases reports of

1438
00:56:22,549 --> 00:56:20,400
doom or

1439
00:56:24,710 --> 00:56:22,559
possession claimed a demonic possession

1440
00:56:27,319 --> 00:56:24,720
you obviously have the classic case the

1441
00:56:29,809 --> 00:56:27,329
film The Exorcist was based on and

1442
00:56:32,089 --> 00:56:29,819
you've got like the movie The Exorcism

1443
00:56:35,239 --> 00:56:32,099
of Emily Rose which I believe was based

1444
00:56:38,120 --> 00:56:35,249
on a real case too but but recently and

1445
00:56:42,009 --> 00:56:38,130
a lot of these ghost programs that ghost

1446
00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:42,019
hunting programs the number of people

1447
00:56:47,390 --> 00:56:44,970
featured in these programs that claim to

1448
00:56:50,029 --> 00:56:47,400
have some kind of demonic infestation in

1449
00:56:53,509 --> 00:56:50,039
their homes it just seems that the whole

1450
00:56:55,970 --> 00:56:53,519
subject of demons as has just exploded

1451
00:56:57,529 --> 00:56:55,980
and I wonder if anyone else agrees with

1452
00:57:00,319 --> 00:56:57,539
that and what your thoughts on the

1453
00:57:01,880 --> 00:57:00,329
subject may be we do seem to see an

1454
00:57:02,660 --> 00:57:01,890
awful lot of it these days that's for

1455
00:57:04,299 --> 00:57:02,670
sure

1456
00:57:07,430 --> 00:57:04,309
of course I think the most famous

1457
00:57:09,980 --> 00:57:07,440
instance is William Peter Blatty is the

1458
00:57:12,140 --> 00:57:09,990
Exorcist that's you know it's still

1459
00:57:15,140 --> 00:57:12,150
hallmark in terms of that whole entire

1460
00:57:16,700 --> 00:57:15,150
genre and the thing that we have to

1461
00:57:19,069 --> 00:57:16,710
remember about this is that in terms of

1462
00:57:22,220 --> 00:57:19,079
horror films there have been a number of

1463
00:57:23,569 --> 00:57:22,230
instances in recent years where films

1464
00:57:25,970 --> 00:57:23,579
have claimed to be based on a true story

1465
00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:25,980
when in fact that was not the case at

1466
00:57:30,380 --> 00:57:28,410
all they merely say that they are and

1467
00:57:34,549 --> 00:57:30,390
that's a problem I find because again

1468
00:57:38,150 --> 00:57:34,559
even if there is you know some justify

1469
00:57:40,009 --> 00:57:38,160
justification behind the mythos to say

1470
00:57:41,690 --> 00:57:40,019
that a particular case of haunting or

1471
00:57:42,950 --> 00:57:41,700
something like that is based on true

1472
00:57:44,390 --> 00:57:42,960
events when it actually isn't that's

1473
00:57:45,829 --> 00:57:44,400
entirely misleading to people and I

1474
00:57:47,900 --> 00:57:45,839
think it contributes to this cultural

1475
00:57:49,940 --> 00:57:47,910
idea that these things you know can

1476
00:57:52,430 --> 00:57:49,950
happen all the time I have friends in

1477
00:57:53,120 --> 00:57:52,440
the clergy one I would name father Jack

1478
00:57:54,979 --> 00:57:53,130
Ashcraft

1479
00:57:58,180 --> 00:57:54,989
who is a commentator on this subject he

1480
00:58:00,109 --> 00:57:58,190
says 99% of all what are purported to be

1481
00:58:02,120 --> 00:58:00,119
exorcisms he says are merely

1482
00:58:04,579 --> 00:58:02,130
psychological and he says as a clergyman

1483
00:58:06,589 --> 00:58:04,589
I know that but I do think that there

1484
00:58:08,809 --> 00:58:06,599
are some instances where these sorts of

1485
00:58:10,640 --> 00:58:08,819
things for instance one film but that

1486
00:58:13,609 --> 00:58:10,650
you'd mentioned their gods The Exorcism

1487
00:58:16,370 --> 00:58:13,619
of Emily Rose that was based on the case

1488
00:58:18,019 --> 00:58:16,380
of a young girl shoes axe I guess high

1489
00:58:19,460 --> 00:58:18,029
school age in Germany I believe

1490
00:58:23,479 --> 00:58:19,470
Anneliese Michel I think was her name

1491
00:58:27,380 --> 00:58:23,489
and she had purportedly had a background

1492
00:58:30,499 --> 00:58:27,390
of psychological disturbance and that

1493
00:58:32,120 --> 00:58:30,509
during these disassociative states that

1494
00:58:34,559 --> 00:58:32,130
she would go into she would sometimes

1495
00:58:36,329 --> 00:58:34,569
say things the

1496
00:58:37,799 --> 00:58:36,339
you know I believe that this is

1497
00:58:41,339 --> 00:58:37,809
something demonic where I believe that

1498
00:58:43,200 --> 00:58:41,349
I'm supposed to endure this as a sort of

1499
00:58:45,660 --> 00:58:43,210
a martyr she of course had a background

1500
00:58:47,789 --> 00:58:45,670
in religious belief and the like and so

1501
00:58:50,039 --> 00:58:47,799
again clinical psychologists look at

1502
00:58:51,960 --> 00:58:50,049
this case as being a disassociative you

1503
00:58:55,470 --> 00:58:51,970
know or maybe even a schizophrenic kind

1504
00:58:58,019 --> 00:58:55,480
of a personality disorder or something

1505
00:58:59,430 --> 00:58:58,029
akin to it yet again there are people

1506
00:59:00,839 --> 00:58:59,440
from the religious persuasion that would

1507
00:59:02,700 --> 00:59:00,849
say without question that there was some

1508
00:59:05,579 --> 00:59:02,710
sort of an actual exorcism that was

1509
00:59:07,349 --> 00:59:05,589
unfortunately attempted and failed the

1510
00:59:08,940 --> 00:59:07,359
girl lost her life and those who had

1511
00:59:10,289 --> 00:59:08,950
actually including family members and

1512
00:59:13,579 --> 00:59:10,299
clergy who had participated in the

1513
00:59:15,779 --> 00:59:13,589
exorcisms were later charged for

1514
00:59:18,180 --> 00:59:15,789
essentially endangering the girl and

1515
00:59:20,010 --> 00:59:18,190
overlooking clinical methods that might

1516
00:59:22,799 --> 00:59:20,020
have actually been more effective than

1517
00:59:25,289 --> 00:59:22,809
those employed during the exorcisms like

1518
00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:25,299
did she starve to death I think that

1519
00:59:29,579 --> 00:59:26,890
that had been one of the cases is that

1520
00:59:33,000 --> 00:59:29,589
again that because she was not being

1521
00:59:34,980 --> 00:59:33,010
treated clinically the exorcisms of

1522
00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:34,990
course were very difficult for her

1523
00:59:39,210 --> 00:59:36,970
during the exorcisms she may have been

1524
00:59:41,579 --> 00:59:39,220
again disassociating and psychologically

1525
00:59:42,779 --> 00:59:41,589
performing the role of the the person

1526
00:59:46,260 --> 00:59:42,789
who was possessed

1527
00:59:49,049 --> 00:59:46,270
she had essentially as a result of this

1528
00:59:51,210 --> 00:59:49,059
had experienced an incredible inability

1529
00:59:53,250 --> 00:59:51,220
to retain liquids and solids of course

1530
00:59:54,809 --> 00:59:53,260
that she consumed in one of the one of

1531
00:59:58,559 --> 00:59:54,819
the arguments is that she had indeed

1532
01:00:01,109 --> 00:59:58,569
actually literally died as a result of

1533
01:00:03,690 --> 01:00:01,119
now nourishment but that this was viewed

1534
01:00:05,039 --> 01:00:03,700
as being in relation to the people who

1535
01:00:06,359 --> 01:00:05,049
were the family who had chosen to do

1536
01:00:07,620 --> 01:00:06,369
this and also the bacterial members of

1537
01:00:09,510 --> 01:00:07,630
the clergy that participated in the

1538
01:00:11,579 --> 01:00:09,520
exorcisms that essentially what had

1539
01:00:13,680 --> 01:00:11,589
happened was that this was this was

1540
01:00:15,569 --> 01:00:13,690
neglect because if she had been treated

1541
01:00:16,769 --> 01:00:15,579
clinically perhaps she would not have if

1542
01:00:18,029 --> 01:00:16,779
she'd been in a hospital setting for

1543
01:00:19,769 --> 01:00:18,039
instance she could have been sedated she

1544
01:00:22,559 --> 01:00:19,779
could have been hooked up to a you know

1545
01:00:26,010 --> 01:00:22,569
to it to a system that allowed her to be

1546
01:00:27,210 --> 01:00:26,020
fed by force essentially so yes that was

1547
01:00:28,620 --> 01:00:27,220
one of the aspects was that she'd

1548
01:00:31,190 --> 01:00:28,630
actually died of malnourished and as a

1549
01:00:34,769 --> 01:00:31,200
result of the exorcism process ongoing

1550
01:00:36,450 --> 01:00:34,779
do you think it's interesting I find it

1551
01:00:39,539 --> 01:00:36,460
amazing that wouldn't when you think

1552
01:00:43,260 --> 01:00:39,549
about it that if criminal charges were

1553
01:00:46,740 --> 01:00:43,270
brought against a family who decided to

1554
01:00:50,040 --> 01:00:46,750
call the services of a priest

1555
01:00:52,380 --> 01:00:50,050
to perform an exorcism on what they

1556
01:00:56,970 --> 01:00:52,390
believe to be someone suffering a

1557
01:01:00,240 --> 01:00:56,980
possession and due to this that they may

1558
01:01:03,630 --> 01:01:00,250
have they may have like somehow

1559
01:01:06,120 --> 01:01:03,640
contributed by maybe way of negligence

1560
01:01:09,450 --> 01:01:06,130
to our death like in the case of this

1561
01:01:12,960 --> 01:01:09,460
girl isn't it interesting that the

1562
01:01:14,820 --> 01:01:12,970
system that might actually charged them

1563
01:01:17,370 --> 01:01:14,830
with crimes and then they'll appear in

1564
01:01:19,410 --> 01:01:17,380
court the whole judicial system well

1565
01:01:22,050 --> 01:01:19,420
what happens when you give evidence in

1566
01:01:25,590 --> 01:01:22,060
court you put your hand on a Bible and

1567
01:01:27,720 --> 01:01:25,600
you swear on the Bible

1568
01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:27,730
you can't affirm of course but most

1569
01:01:32,790 --> 01:01:30,010
people swear on the Bible in our system

1570
01:01:37,230 --> 01:01:32,800
and isn't it interesting really that if

1571
01:01:40,410 --> 01:01:37,240
you say you are a Christian you really

1572
01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:40,420
it should to me it should follow that

1573
01:01:46,530 --> 01:01:43,810
you believe in demons and I always find

1574
01:01:50,010 --> 01:01:46,540
it quite strange that that the judicial

1575
01:01:53,940 --> 01:01:50,020
system takes a dim view of if you like

1576
01:01:56,820 --> 01:01:53,950
excuses or reasons of some kind of like

1577
01:02:00,120 --> 01:01:56,830
weird religious thing it's more into

1578
01:02:04,800 --> 01:02:00,130
clinical science psychology it's just

1579
01:02:07,560 --> 01:02:04,810
forensic things but but but at the same

1580
01:02:09,930 --> 01:02:07,570
time it's you know you've got to put

1581
01:02:13,200 --> 01:02:09,940
your hand on the Bible and if you look

1582
01:02:15,810 --> 01:02:13,210
most most institutions probably will

1583
01:02:17,610 --> 01:02:15,820
have some kind of quasi religious aspect

1584
01:02:19,770 --> 01:02:17,620
and in our country that's usually

1585
01:02:22,950 --> 01:02:19,780
Christian to me there seems to be a you

1586
01:02:25,200 --> 01:02:22,960
know a strange thing going on with these

1587
01:02:27,270 --> 01:02:25,210
two extremes where when in fact they are

1588
01:02:29,610 --> 01:02:27,280
very related that's interesting and

1589
01:02:32,090 --> 01:02:29,620
you're absolutely right I mean I think

1590
01:02:33,840 --> 01:02:32,100
it just kind of shows the the totem that

1591
01:02:35,670 --> 01:02:33,850
especially you know following the

1592
01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:35,680
founding of the United States based on

1593
01:02:40,410 --> 01:02:38,410
Christian principles and the like it

1594
01:02:42,090 --> 01:02:40,420
becomes a very interesting situation

1595
01:02:43,620 --> 01:02:42,100
where we recognize again you know this

1596
01:02:46,020 --> 01:02:43,630
isn't an attack on faith my father's an

1597
01:02:47,490 --> 01:02:46,030
Episcopal priest but but you know the

1598
01:02:49,710 --> 01:02:47,500
Bible obviously serves as sort of a

1599
01:02:51,930 --> 01:02:49,720
totem you know a pillar for the idea of

1600
01:02:54,060 --> 01:02:51,940
the upholding of right principles and

1601
01:02:56,850 --> 01:02:54,070
justice that we still use in a courtroom

1602
01:02:59,810 --> 01:02:56,860
and and sadly maybe the you know the

1603
01:03:01,160 --> 01:02:59,820
court officials are overlooking that in

1604
01:03:02,750 --> 01:03:01,170
but by the same token one could argue

1605
01:03:04,550 --> 01:03:02,760
that maybe there's no place for religion

1606
01:03:07,420 --> 01:03:04,560
whether it be in you know in terms of a

1607
01:03:09,740 --> 01:03:07,430
totem or in terms of actual ideology

1608
01:03:11,330 --> 01:03:09,750
ideological belief in the courtroom it

1609
01:03:13,910 --> 01:03:11,340
is an interesting divide there that you

1610
01:03:16,520 --> 01:03:13,920
outline dogs now you must have some

1611
01:03:19,250 --> 01:03:16,530
fascinating conversations Micah with

1612
01:03:21,650 --> 01:03:19,260
your father at store break Micah Hank's

1613
01:03:23,930 --> 01:03:21,660
cogs makai Chris O'Brien's on special

1614
01:03:26,120 --> 01:03:23,940
assignment trying to get his iphone to

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talk about movies TV shows supposedly

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based on fact

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you also have TV shows ripped from the

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headlines and what they're basically

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doing there unless it's a real

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documentary and even then you wonder but

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they're basically doing guys is that

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they take the basic concept of what

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happened and may build a story around it

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they may be very few details they have

1730
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in common with the real event yeah

1731
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absolutely I mean there's there's one

1732
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paranormal story that I've always been

1733
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interested in and that's the story of

1734
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the haunted Jewish wine cabinet or

1735
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otherwise known as the Dybbuk box and a

1736
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movie was based licensed on that story

1737
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but there really was very few

1738
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similarities between this story on the

1739
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movie and the actual story I am quite

1740
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often as as I'm sure you both agree

1741
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quite often the original story the

1742
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reality is far more interesting and I

1743
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just don't always agree with Hollywood

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and I understand what they do in taking

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01:09:27,070 --> 01:09:24,500
the grain of truth of something and

1746
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making a story but I find often they

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just willingly ignore the reality when

1748
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quite often to me it seems a better

1749
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story is that what you were getting at

1750
01:09:38,800 --> 01:09:36,350
Gene

1751
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yes Andy but let's talk about examples

1752
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you say that maybe the original event is

1753
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a better story than having a bunch of

1754
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Hollywood screenwriters and some pitch

1755
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meetings trying to put something

1756
01:09:53,890 --> 01:09:51,230
together do you have any other examples

1757
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where the real story the real truth was

1758
01:09:58,390 --> 01:09:56,420
more interesting than the movie but then

1759
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there's the other question here why

1760
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would they do that do they think they

1761
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can do better than reality by making the

1762
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movie more violent or different or

1763
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something like that is that really our

1764
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discussion here yeah I was just quickly

1765
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going to say quite quite often they they

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will buy the right to say to a book and

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it's it's then up to them they could

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they could absolutely go word for word

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with the book story wise or they can

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just take us

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Beks they like and build upon it and I'm

1772
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not saying for a second that they're

1773
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always wrong to Hollywood eyes if you

1774
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like I'm sure many pretty you know so-so

1775
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stories have been made into blockbusters

1776
01:10:41,230 --> 01:10:38,780
that are really enjoyable but I can't

1777
01:10:42,940 --> 01:10:41,240
think of many examples off my head the

1778
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only one I can really talk with any

1779
01:10:47,110 --> 01:10:44,600
knowledge would be the Dybbuk box but

1780
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definitely that to me I having read the

1781
01:10:53,560 --> 01:10:50,630
book without a doubt the the true story

1782
01:10:55,420 --> 01:10:53,570
was far more interesting than the movie

1783
01:10:58,900 --> 01:10:55,430
no the movie did actually do quite well

1784
01:11:01,510 --> 01:10:58,910
but it's just it's just an example like

1785
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you know the one that immediately comes

1786
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to mind for me is fire in the sky yes

1787
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yeah of course that you know supposedly

1788
01:11:14,500 --> 01:11:11,840
documented the real-life experiences of

1789
01:11:16,810 --> 01:11:14,510
Travis Walton anyone with a peripheral

1790
01:11:18,310 --> 01:11:16,820
interest in ufology if they were to sit

1791
01:11:20,080 --> 01:11:18,320
down and watch that film and take that

1792
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as being what this you know field of

1793
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study is about you know sadly I think a

1794
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lot of people actually do again it seems

1795
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like a terribly horrific play of events

1796
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that we that we see in that film but

1797
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what we have to remember is is that

1798
01:11:36,340 --> 01:11:34,100
again while it may be very loosely based

1799
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on a supposed actual occurrence and I do

1800
01:11:39,730 --> 01:11:38,300
think that something happened to Travis

1801
01:11:41,470 --> 01:11:39,740
Walton I've met him had dinner with him

1802
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and you know I don't receive him as

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being somebody who's making that up

1804
01:11:47,080 --> 01:11:45,410
again initially the screenplay that was

1805
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written was based more along the lines

1806
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of the book that Travis wrote and the

1807
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producers didn't like it they didn't

1808
01:11:53,560 --> 01:11:52,010
think that it was scary enough and it

1809
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was rewritten the way that it actually

1810
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appears on film because what is it it

1811
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was a film that was supposed to pander

1812
01:12:01,240 --> 01:11:58,880
essentially to the horror genre and

1813
01:12:03,550 --> 01:12:01,250
Travis himself points this out yet again

1814
01:12:05,320 --> 01:12:03,560
what he actually described was rather

1815
01:12:06,640 --> 01:12:05,330
than being an alien or like a rescue

1816
01:12:08,830 --> 01:12:06,650
mission in the sense that he thinks that

1817
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he was injured you know very briefly I

1818
01:12:13,210 --> 01:12:10,970
mean what was written in that book by

1819
01:12:14,740 --> 01:12:13,220
Travis Walton I'm going to say there's

1820
01:12:16,660 --> 01:12:14,750
more to the story because we had Tracy

1821
01:12:19,390 --> 01:12:16,670
tor amay who was one of the producers of

1822
01:12:22,450 --> 01:12:19,400
the film on the para cast and he said

1823
01:12:24,760 --> 01:12:22,460
part of the problem is the plotline in

1824
01:12:27,370 --> 01:12:24,770
the book well actually apparently were

1825
01:12:29,530 --> 01:12:27,380
evidently happened resembled some other

1826
01:12:31,480 --> 01:12:29,540
movie and so they didn't want to

1827
01:12:32,890 --> 01:12:31,490
duplicate what was in the other movie so

1828
01:12:34,640 --> 01:12:32,900
the screenwriters said we've got to

1829
01:12:38,090 --> 01:12:34,650
change it and certainly they may

1830
01:12:40,130 --> 01:12:38,100
more sensational more lurid but the core

1831
01:12:41,930 --> 01:12:40,140
reason was because they had to make it

1832
01:12:43,459 --> 01:12:41,940
different I see that's interesting

1833
01:12:45,649 --> 01:12:43,469
though because that doesn't necessarily

1834
01:12:47,209 --> 01:12:45,659
reflect well on the story though you

1835
01:12:49,280 --> 01:12:47,219
know again I understand

1836
01:12:52,160 --> 01:12:49,290
for purposes of Hollywood changing that

1837
01:12:54,020 --> 01:12:52,170
narrative and for all we know GOG this

1838
01:12:55,370 --> 01:12:54,030
may be very similar with regarding the

1839
01:12:56,630 --> 01:12:55,380
you know with regard to the case of the

1840
01:12:58,580 --> 01:12:56,640
Dybbuk box or whatever they may have

1841
01:13:01,160 --> 01:12:58,590
change aspects because so many motifs

1842
01:13:02,570 --> 01:13:01,170
are done and redone and overdone you

1843
01:13:04,160 --> 01:13:02,580
know to the point of being beyond well

1844
01:13:06,439 --> 01:13:04,170
done maybe cooked to a crisp in the

1845
01:13:08,570 --> 01:13:06,449
Hollywood you know film industry but

1846
01:13:11,209 --> 01:13:08,580
that doesn't do much credence to the

1847
01:13:13,340 --> 01:13:11,219
stories that are actually supposedly

1848
01:13:15,380 --> 01:13:13,350
based on reality and again you read fire

1849
01:13:17,450 --> 01:13:15,390
in the sky and you see what Travis

1850
01:13:19,130 --> 01:13:17,460
Walton described again sometimes

1851
01:13:20,899 --> 01:13:19,140
referred to as being more a rescue

1852
01:13:23,180 --> 01:13:20,909
mission than an actual abduction because

1853
01:13:25,459 --> 01:13:23,190
he believed he'd been possibly injured

1854
01:13:27,560 --> 01:13:25,469
as a result of this craft taking off and

1855
01:13:29,540 --> 01:13:27,570
maybe this kind of the spark arcing down

1856
01:13:31,250 --> 01:13:29,550
as he's described and he woke up with

1857
01:13:33,350 --> 01:13:31,260
some sort of a device on his chest on

1858
01:13:34,910 --> 01:13:33,360
board this craft they're aspects of that

1859
01:13:36,200 --> 01:13:34,920
story to me and again to kind of mirror

1860
01:13:38,300 --> 01:13:36,210
what gods had said they were far more

1861
01:13:39,860 --> 01:13:38,310
interesting in the narrative that Travis

1862
01:13:40,970 --> 01:13:39,870
gave rather than the film and so you

1863
01:13:43,340 --> 01:13:40,980
know while I could understand the

1864
01:13:45,649 --> 01:13:43,350
necessity for a Hollywood film changing

1865
01:13:47,780 --> 01:13:45,659
the story to reflect something that was

1866
01:13:49,820 --> 01:13:47,790
not overtly similar to a previous film

1867
01:13:52,910 --> 01:13:49,830
you know it's not doing much justice to

1868
01:13:54,410 --> 01:13:52,920
the actual case study the story and this

1869
01:13:56,810 --> 01:13:54,420
is what must be pointed out is that

1870
01:13:58,939 --> 01:13:56,820
people in this in this genre especially

1871
01:14:00,890 --> 01:13:58,949
who are critical of it don't watch the

1872
01:14:03,380 --> 01:14:00,900
films that are supposedly based on

1873
01:14:05,360 --> 01:14:03,390
reality and presume that this is the

1874
01:14:07,189 --> 01:14:05,370
actual essence of the of the story or

1875
01:14:09,200 --> 01:14:07,199
the investigation thereafter because

1876
01:14:11,360 --> 01:14:09,210
often that's not the case remember at

1877
01:14:14,120 --> 01:14:11,370
the end of the day this is meant to be

1878
01:14:16,700 --> 01:14:14,130
drama it's science fiction it's meant to

1879
01:14:19,580 --> 01:14:16,710
be something that they could derive a

1880
01:14:21,830 --> 01:14:19,590
profit from and they'll make the changes

1881
01:14:23,660 --> 01:14:21,840
as appropriate when they buy the book

1882
01:14:26,149 --> 01:14:23,670
they say you know we have the right to

1883
01:14:27,800 --> 01:14:26,159
do whatever we want we're not presenting

1884
01:14:30,729 --> 01:14:27,810
a documentary

1885
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we're not presenting a docudrama

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dramatizing some kind of real event

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we're presenting a science fiction movie

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it's a science fiction movie and

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therefore we'll do whatever is necessary

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to make that movie sell now in the end

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of the day the thing I don't even think

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Bradley recovered its production cost it

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was

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at best a very mediocre success or maybe

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it lost some money it wasn't a big thing

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so with all that they did to improve in

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quotes the flat lines it didn't work so

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well that's interesting because in the

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case of the Dybbuk box they totally

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changed it they just kept the basic core

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idea of an actual kind of haunted box

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that the hell how is this certain spirit

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to call the Dybbuk what they did

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ended up being extremely successful it

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well surpassed their expectations you

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know more than recoup the money so much

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so that I'm pretty sure our sequel is in

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the offing they'd they were talking

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about it almost within the first two

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weeks about making a sequel I I did I

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enjoyed the film I just happened to

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think that the original idea would have

1913
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been an even you know more interesting

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film but I'm not in Hollywood and Who am

1915
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I to kind of argue against people who

1916
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are paid to do this and in the case of

1917
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Dybbuk box it paid off so I'm not

1918
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arguing against it but they certainly

1919
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were proved correct and what they did

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they made a much more kind of mainstream

1921
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idea but in terms of what Hollywood does

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and that's make films that make money it

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did that very well well that's what show

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business is all about so fire in the sky

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succeeded would you would then have fire

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in the ocean as a sequel film how can I

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wonder fire in the ocean then fire in

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the atmosphere fire on Mars fire on

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Venus fire fire if it doesn't work you

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get fired we're talking shop we're

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talking about the paranormal this is our

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so Chris O'Brien is not here because

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it's Microsoft's fault they don't like

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the idea that he recently activated an

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iPhone so he couldn't get Skype to work

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Skype being owned by Microsoft I have no

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idea

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we'll get that fix and I'll be back next

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week so we have gobsmacked eye our guest

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friendly moderators who keeps things

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running we have Micah Hanks from the

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basically talking about unusual

2056
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paranormal events now because this is a

2057
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Halloween weekend show Michael you have

2058
01:21:40,160 --> 01:21:37,110
a couple of ghost stories you can drop

2059
01:21:42,440 --> 01:21:40,170
on us well you know of course because as

2060
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i limited earlier or rather reflecting

2061
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the lamentations of the listeners from

2062
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time to time while the philosophy has to

2063
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be discussed they'd like to hear case

2064
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studies reports and just good

2065
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old-fashioned stories one that comes to

2066
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mind one subject I should say since

2067
01:21:58,190 --> 01:21:55,620
we've covered Dimmick boxes ghosts

2068
01:22:00,080 --> 01:21:58,200
Bigfoot UFOs all this stuff Ouija boards

2069
01:22:02,480 --> 01:22:00,090
this is something that really a lot of

2070
01:22:04,250 --> 01:22:02,490
people were rubbed the wrong way about

2071
01:22:06,140 --> 01:22:04,260
the even just the discussion of them

2072
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because of the negative you know stigma

2073
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attached to him and I'm not saying that

2074
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it shouldn't be there because really a

2075
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lot of the stories that we hear about

2076
01:22:15,050 --> 01:22:12,930
Ouija boards are just darn unsettling

2077
01:22:17,450 --> 01:22:15,060
one that was told to me years ago by a

2078
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friend involved he and his girlfriend at

2079
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the time and they decided that for you

2080
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know kicks and giggles one Friday night

2081
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instead of going to the movies are going

2082
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out that would stay at home and they'd

2083
01:22:29,210 --> 01:22:26,640
play with the Ouija board and so he'd

2084
01:22:31,220 --> 01:22:29,220
said that as they began their task of

2085
01:22:32,870 --> 01:22:31,230
asking questions and seeing if the

2086
01:22:35,180 --> 01:22:32,880
planchette which is the pointing device

2087
01:22:36,920 --> 01:22:35,190
would move he said that initially that

2088
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there wasn't much activity then all of a

2089
01:22:40,340 --> 01:22:38,820
sudden it sort of sprung to life you

2090
01:22:41,930 --> 01:22:40,350
know they kind of got into a rhythm with

2091
01:22:44,210 --> 01:22:41,940
it and everything and began receiving

2092
01:22:47,180 --> 01:22:44,220
what they perceived as being messages so

2093
01:22:49,670 --> 01:22:47,190
they asked well who is this or who are

2094
01:22:52,580 --> 01:22:49,680
you and the board took several minutes

2095
01:22:55,280 --> 01:22:52,590
but indicated that it was a spirit of a

2096
01:22:57,100 --> 01:22:55,290
young girl he asked why are you a spirit

2097
01:23:00,590 --> 01:22:57,110
of young girl the story goes that

2098
01:23:01,970 --> 01:23:00,600
through these the accumulated responses

2099
01:23:03,320 --> 01:23:01,980
and again for people who've never used a

2100
01:23:04,730 --> 01:23:03,330
Ouija board of course there's a series

2101
01:23:06,290 --> 01:23:04,740
of numbers and letters and things it's

2102
01:23:07,460 --> 01:23:06,300
pretty popular but if you don't if you

2103
01:23:07,799 --> 01:23:07,470
don't know you can look it up online and

2104
01:23:09,299 --> 01:23:07,809
see

2105
01:23:11,129 --> 01:23:09,309
how these things actually working so it

2106
01:23:13,290 --> 01:23:11,139
may take a little time aside from simple

2107
01:23:15,149 --> 01:23:13,300
yes and no responses which are oriented

2108
01:23:16,889 --> 01:23:15,159
on either side of the board so that

2109
01:23:18,779 --> 01:23:16,899
simple responses can be given but

2110
01:23:20,459 --> 01:23:18,789
information imparted throughout this

2111
01:23:23,790 --> 01:23:20,469
exchange indicated that this young girl

2112
01:23:26,520 --> 01:23:23,800
had died maybe of tuberculosis and she

2113
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had lived some time in the 1860s or 70s

2114
01:23:32,520 --> 01:23:29,999
he asked where are you and it spells a

2115
01:23:34,079 --> 01:23:32,530
chill and he thinks now if a young girl

2116
01:23:37,349 --> 01:23:34,089
had died why in the world but this

2117
01:23:39,569 --> 01:23:37,359
little girl be in hell as she said and

2118
01:23:42,540 --> 01:23:39,579
so my friend wonders well if this little

2119
01:23:44,369 --> 01:23:42,550
girl had passed away why would she be in

2120
01:23:45,540 --> 01:23:44,379
hell and you keep in mind again that

2121
01:23:46,979 --> 01:23:45,550
this is not something I read in a book

2122
01:23:49,139 --> 01:23:46,989
this is something that a friend actually

2123
01:23:51,959 --> 01:23:49,149
told to me so he asks her at this point

2124
01:23:54,059 --> 01:23:51,969
if you died from tuberculosis is a

2125
01:23:56,250 --> 01:23:54,069
little girl why are you in hell if this

2126
01:23:58,829 --> 01:23:56,260
point he began to question whether it

2127
01:24:01,079 --> 01:23:58,839
was indeed little girl so the way that

2128
01:24:02,309 --> 01:24:01,089
they had begun asking questions you know

2129
01:24:03,479 --> 01:24:02,319
they were kind of getting oriented with

2130
01:24:04,859 --> 01:24:03,489
the board and it took him a few minutes

2131
01:24:06,149 --> 01:24:04,869
but once they kind of got into the

2132
01:24:07,349 --> 01:24:06,159
rhythm of things the planchette the

2133
01:24:08,339 --> 01:24:07,359
little pointing device on the Ouija

2134
01:24:10,259 --> 01:24:08,349
board and if you don't know how these

2135
01:24:13,349 --> 01:24:10,269
work you can look online and read about

2136
01:24:14,939 --> 01:24:13,359
him but most people do and the

2137
01:24:17,369 --> 01:24:14,949
planchette began to move pretty quickly

2138
01:24:20,639 --> 01:24:17,379
and the information that was imparted to

2139
01:24:22,589 --> 01:24:20,649
them according to my friend that she had

2140
01:24:27,929 --> 01:24:22,599
contracted she had contracted

2141
01:24:30,329 --> 01:24:27,939
tuberculosis and so the the story goes

2142
01:24:31,679 --> 01:24:30,339
that this little girl's reason for

2143
01:24:33,989 --> 01:24:31,689
wanting to communicate with them had

2144
01:24:36,569 --> 01:24:33,999
been that she said when you - and the

2145
01:24:39,389 --> 01:24:36,579
happy young couple have your firstborn I

2146
01:24:41,309 --> 01:24:39,399
want to be reincarnated into your child

2147
01:24:44,099 --> 01:24:41,319
well that weirded him out a little bit

2148
01:24:47,069 --> 01:24:44,109
and so as they're talking to this girl

2149
01:24:48,419 --> 01:24:47,079
he asks again where are you well the

2150
01:24:50,540 --> 01:24:48,429
spirit in the afterlife he wants to know

2151
01:24:53,459 --> 01:24:50,550
where the spirit is and she spells out a

2152
01:24:57,270 --> 01:24:53,469
chill and rests the planchette on ill

2153
01:25:00,449 --> 01:24:57,280
hell so of course naturally he asks well

2154
01:25:02,520 --> 01:25:00,459
why would you be in hell and the

2155
01:25:04,169 --> 01:25:02,530
response that is uttered at this time

2156
01:25:05,819 --> 01:25:04,179
but or rather not uttered I should say

2157
01:25:08,069 --> 01:25:05,829
but spelled up via the planchette using

2158
01:25:09,059 --> 01:25:08,079
the Ouija board is it goes over to I

2159
01:25:11,009 --> 01:25:09,069
rest for a moment

2160
01:25:15,089 --> 01:25:11,019
Blanchett then slowly moves back over to

2161
01:25:17,879 --> 01:25:15,099
K then to I again and then rests on L I

2162
01:25:18,479 --> 01:25:17,889
kill he's thinking something's not right

2163
01:25:20,530 --> 01:25:18,489
about this

2164
01:25:23,110 --> 01:25:20,540
what are you

2165
01:25:26,830 --> 01:25:23,120
he asks supposedly of a little girl

2166
01:25:31,090 --> 01:25:26,840
ghost and it starts spelling d YT moves

2167
01:25:32,800 --> 01:25:31,100
- e - M - oh he perceives it the word

2168
01:25:34,420 --> 01:25:32,810
demon of course is being spelled out and

2169
01:25:36,100 --> 01:25:34,430
so he grabs the planchette and his

2170
01:25:37,960 --> 01:25:36,110
girlfriend go over to goodbye they leave

2171
01:25:39,400 --> 01:25:37,970
it box it up and they say and ever since

2172
01:25:42,790 --> 01:25:39,410
we have never again played with the

2173
01:25:44,890 --> 01:25:42,800
Ouija board that's the story so who

2174
01:25:46,930 --> 01:25:44,900
knows you know but I I have heard

2175
01:25:48,040 --> 01:25:46,940
numerous stories like that where people

2176
01:25:50,560 --> 01:25:48,050
have claimed that they've had things

2177
01:25:52,000 --> 01:25:50,570
like this happen and one more just to

2178
01:25:54,100 --> 01:25:52,010
kind of encapsulated all young boy

2179
01:25:55,810 --> 01:25:54,110
contacted me from Australia said he'd

2180
01:25:59,290 --> 01:25:55,820
bought an a vintage Ouija board in a

2181
01:26:01,540 --> 01:25:59,300
pawn shop or a or an antique shop and

2182
01:26:03,580 --> 01:26:01,550
that he said my grandfather came through

2183
01:26:05,860 --> 01:26:03,590
the Ouija board she's recently deceased

2184
01:26:07,090 --> 01:26:05,870
I said well what did he tell you the

2185
01:26:08,980 --> 01:26:07,100
boy's name is Artemus he said my

2186
01:26:11,050 --> 01:26:08,990
grandfather said don't play with Ouija

2187
01:26:12,940 --> 01:26:11,060
boards but that doesn't say it I don't

2188
01:26:15,220 --> 01:26:12,950
know what would know I don't want to say

2189
01:26:17,710 --> 01:26:15,230
if this means anything but I had one or

2190
01:26:19,630 --> 01:26:17,720
two unusual experiences with the Ouija

2191
01:26:22,020 --> 01:26:19,640
board when I was a teenager I had a

2192
01:26:24,310 --> 01:26:22,030
friend in Brooklyn New York Ken Albert

2193
01:26:27,550 --> 01:26:24,320
currently lives in Atlanta a really nice

2194
01:26:30,130 --> 01:26:27,560
guy and his mom decided to play with us

2195
01:26:32,980 --> 01:26:30,140
with the Ouija board and we started

2196
01:26:35,590 --> 01:26:32,990
getting responses but I think at the end

2197
01:26:37,930 --> 01:26:35,600
of the day we felt that she was

2198
01:26:40,090 --> 01:26:37,940
basically pretending to receive those

2199
01:26:42,820 --> 01:26:40,100
responses and was moving the planchette

2200
01:26:45,370 --> 01:26:42,830
back and forth that's about as good or

2201
01:26:48,520 --> 01:26:45,380
as bad as it gets at least for me and

2202
01:26:50,740 --> 01:26:48,530
Ouija boards isn't it interesting about

2203
01:26:52,750 --> 01:26:50,750
the Ouija boards that I'm pretty sure

2204
01:26:56,320 --> 01:26:52,760
it's been mentioned on the show before

2205
01:26:59,920 --> 01:26:56,330
but many people are not aware that the

2206
01:27:03,610 --> 01:26:59,930
original Ouija board was I think there's

2207
01:27:08,220 --> 01:27:03,620
a Parker Brothers board game so either

2208
01:27:11,080 --> 01:27:08,230
in the late 1800s or early 20th century

2209
01:27:14,530 --> 01:27:11,090
basically it was what you could buy in a

2210
01:27:16,210 --> 01:27:14,540
toy shop now those that use the boards I

2211
01:27:19,150 --> 01:27:16,220
suppose that they would argue that it's

2212
01:27:22,420 --> 01:27:19,160
you know the board's origins are

2213
01:27:26,830 --> 01:27:22,430
irrelevant as to what it can accomplish

2214
01:27:29,290 --> 01:27:26,840
because you could just as easily draw on

2215
01:27:32,140 --> 01:27:29,300
a piece of paper all the letters and put

2216
01:27:33,819 --> 01:27:32,150
a sheet of glass over that so the fact

2217
01:27:37,589 --> 01:27:33,829
it was a board game

2218
01:27:40,479 --> 01:27:37,599
initially shouldn't prevent if you like

2219
01:27:42,490 --> 01:27:40,489
it's working if you believe this kind of

2220
01:27:45,100 --> 01:27:42,500
thing but it's interesting that the

2221
01:27:49,149 --> 01:27:45,110
story the personal story mica was just

2222
01:27:50,770 --> 01:27:49,159
relating there that initially a couple

2223
01:27:54,010 --> 01:27:50,780
using the Ouija board think they're

2224
01:27:56,970 --> 01:27:54,020
talking to a little girl but the answers

2225
01:27:59,859 --> 01:27:56,980
that are coming are pretty sinister and

2226
01:28:04,260 --> 01:27:59,869
demonic and they're starting to question

2227
01:28:07,030 --> 01:28:04,270
well is this is this something else

2228
01:28:09,160 --> 01:28:07,040
masquerading as a little girl which goes

2229
01:28:12,149 --> 01:28:09,170
back to what I was seeing on earlier on

2230
01:28:15,280 --> 01:28:12,159
about this whole thing about demons

2231
01:28:18,839 --> 01:28:15,290
demonology demonic possession in

2232
01:28:21,459 --> 01:28:18,849
addition to all that there's a huge

2233
01:28:25,720 --> 01:28:21,469
explosion in the use of Ouija boards

2234
01:28:30,490 --> 01:28:25,730
recently probably partly due to movies

2235
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um such as what's the latest well-known

2236
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one there the horror CDs in about five

2237
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now the first one I really liked

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available yes yes well done Paranormal

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Activity probably due to movies like

2240
01:28:46,959 --> 01:28:43,719
that and you know things on the internet

2241
01:28:49,689 --> 01:28:46,969
but a lot of people are talking if you

2242
01:28:52,330 --> 01:28:49,699
were to do Google searches on Ouija

2243
01:28:54,580 --> 01:28:52,340
boards and you know demonic

2244
01:28:56,470 --> 01:28:54,590
impersonation and stuff there is an

2245
01:28:58,899 --> 01:28:56,480
awful lot of this stuff going on there

2246
01:29:01,299 --> 01:28:58,909
and it's interesting that Myka just gave

2247
01:29:03,160 --> 01:29:01,309
an example what some paranormal

2248
01:29:05,049 --> 01:29:03,170
investigators think's going on is you're

2249
01:29:08,109 --> 01:29:05,059
contacting actually some kind of evil

2250
01:29:11,319 --> 01:29:08,119
entity possibly a demon and they quite

2251
01:29:14,379 --> 01:29:11,329
often ma masquerade as a family member

2252
01:29:16,600 --> 01:29:14,389
or an innocent child which draws you in

2253
01:29:18,700 --> 01:29:16,610
and then you kind of opened some kind of

2254
01:29:21,729 --> 01:29:18,710
doorway for them to enter your life and

2255
01:29:25,149 --> 01:29:21,739
really start annoying you I don't know

2256
01:29:27,939 --> 01:29:25,159
if I really believe this stuff and but

2257
01:29:30,129 --> 01:29:27,949
if I do believe it at all I do believe

2258
01:29:32,620 --> 01:29:30,139
that probably the Ouija boards

2259
01:29:35,229 --> 01:29:32,630
themselves are not instrumental in

2260
01:29:37,419 --> 01:29:35,239
making this stuff happen I believe it

2261
01:29:39,939 --> 01:29:37,429
probably more important that you're just

2262
01:29:43,000 --> 01:29:39,949
simply making your decision to open

2263
01:29:45,580 --> 01:29:43,010
yourself up to that side of life and if

2264
01:29:47,260 --> 01:29:45,590
it really does exist that's almost like

2265
01:29:50,620 --> 01:29:47,270
an open invitation

2266
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- good or bad forces coming into your

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life because you've you've made that

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first step you know we've said on the

2269
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show quite a few times in the part of

2270
01:30:02,860 --> 01:30:00,260
normal field as you kind of dip your toe

2271
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in the water and go into it more it kind

2272
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of tends to come back and push back at

2273
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you with equal force classic Newtonian

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equation a lot of people once they

2275
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became interested in the paranormal

2276
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then they maybe started to notice

2277
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paranormal events around them that they

2278
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had noticed before let's do the break

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sounds like the reflective aspect of the

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this has been a really quick running

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episode Micah Hanks to the gray level

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report and dogs makai student of the

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death para cast comm gongs while we're

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talking with this segment maybe look at

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the questions in our forums and see if

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there's anything you can ask that might

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be relevant so let's continue but right

2401
01:35:35,950 --> 01:35:29,680
now we've been talking of course about

2402
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real life versus our AEL life and TV

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life and how those things kind of change

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and don't always reflect what's going on

2405
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you know Mike I'm gonna jump because

2406
01:35:46,420 --> 01:35:45,110
we're on the last five segments to a

2407
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totally different subject that maybe

2408
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we'll talk about very briefly that goes

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back to of course UFOs our national

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security state and the fact that last

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week we had Richard Dolan author of book

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called UFOs for the 21st century mind

2413
01:36:04,390 --> 01:36:02,510
now Micah one of the big controversy

2414
01:36:10,390 --> 01:36:04,400
still goes on is one and start back in

2415
01:36:12,760 --> 01:36:10,400
the 1980s all about the alleged mj-12

2416
01:36:15,160 --> 01:36:12,770
documents or any secret documents that

2417
01:36:17,530 --> 01:36:15,170
looks like of course Richard Dolan kind

2418
01:36:19,680 --> 01:36:17,540
of favors it he's along with Stanton

2419
01:36:22,240 --> 01:36:19,690
Friedman on that we have people like

2420
01:36:25,150 --> 01:36:22,250
Robert Hastings who wrote UFOs and nukes

2421
01:36:27,420 --> 01:36:25,160
and Kevin Randall has written you know a

2422
01:36:29,590 --> 01:36:27,430
thousand and one books about UFOs and

2423
01:36:31,630 --> 01:36:29,600
conspiracies and related subjects saying

2424
01:36:35,020 --> 01:36:31,640
it's all a big fake so Micah do you

2425
01:36:36,520 --> 01:36:35,030
think this whole thing about all these

2426
01:36:39,700 --> 01:36:36,530
alleged government documents

2427
01:36:42,970 --> 01:36:39,710
particularly mj-12 is it real is it a

2428
01:36:45,190 --> 01:36:42,980
fake and if it's a fake who's fake well

2429
01:36:48,340 --> 01:36:45,200
that's oh gosh what a good question gene

2430
01:36:51,190 --> 01:36:48,350
I have to say that I think that there

2431
01:36:54,430 --> 01:36:51,200
very well may be some information that

2432
01:36:58,000 --> 01:36:54,440
is imparted in whole or more likely in

2433
01:37:00,640 --> 01:36:58,010
in parts minut parts that are imparted

2434
01:37:04,300 --> 01:37:00,650
within the the sum total of mj-12

2435
01:37:06,160 --> 01:37:04,310
documents that do suggest there's

2436
01:37:07,810 --> 01:37:06,170
something more going on now i want to i

2437
01:37:09,100 --> 01:37:07,820
want to give a very brief disclaimer

2438
01:37:10,750 --> 01:37:09,110
since i have so many friends in the

2439
01:37:12,880 --> 01:37:10,760
field including rich dolan he and nick

2440
01:37:16,060 --> 01:37:12,890
read from probably two among my my very

2441
01:37:19,040 --> 01:37:16,070
best friends in this community of people

2442
01:37:22,010 --> 01:37:19,050
who are UFO centric in their assert

2443
01:37:25,730 --> 01:37:22,020
I don't completely agree I think with

2444
01:37:28,160 --> 01:37:25,740
with Richard on the significance of the

2445
01:37:30,650 --> 01:37:28,170
mj-12 documents and and in a

2446
01:37:32,330 --> 01:37:30,660
respectfully do so and here's why now at

2447
01:37:34,280 --> 01:37:32,340
the paradigm symposium recently he Nick

2448
01:37:36,410 --> 01:37:34,290
Redfern and I along with a number of

2449
01:37:38,030 --> 01:37:36,420
others were on a UFO panel discussion

2450
01:37:40,280 --> 01:37:38,040
and he actually brought that up and what

2451
01:37:43,340 --> 01:37:40,290
he cites I think is a legitimate reason

2452
01:37:45,200 --> 01:37:43,350
for appending some legitimacy to them

2453
01:37:47,060 --> 01:37:45,210
and that is the fact that again what is

2454
01:37:49,700 --> 01:37:47,070
represented in those documents is a

2455
01:37:52,070 --> 01:37:49,710
collection of information sure we can't

2456
01:37:54,950 --> 01:37:52,080
dismiss all of that information not with

2457
01:37:57,650 --> 01:37:54,960
that I agree that all of it cannot be

2458
01:38:00,170 --> 01:37:57,660
entirely dismissed but I think that the

2459
01:38:02,840 --> 01:38:00,180
way that it was put together the reason

2460
01:38:04,730 --> 01:38:02,850
it was in all likelihood released and

2461
01:38:06,830 --> 01:38:04,740
the evidence that shows that some of it

2462
01:38:09,080 --> 01:38:06,840
was entirely fabricated right down to I

2463
01:38:12,860 --> 01:38:09,090
think Dwight Eisenhower's signatures the

2464
01:38:15,680 --> 01:38:12,870
incorrect use of again the paper and and

2465
01:38:17,060 --> 01:38:15,690
I think that the variety of ink and the

2466
01:38:19,580 --> 01:38:17,070
jurisdictions for how the ink would have

2467
01:38:21,500 --> 01:38:19,590
appeared relative to a writer government

2468
01:38:22,820 --> 01:38:21,510
issue at the time that the documents

2469
01:38:23,870 --> 01:38:22,830
that were supposedly written when they

2470
01:38:25,910 --> 01:38:23,880
were supposedly written should have

2471
01:38:27,650 --> 01:38:25,920
actually been oriented Robert Hastings

2472
01:38:29,300 --> 01:38:27,660
and numbers of others have have already

2473
01:38:31,850 --> 01:38:29,310
shown that clearly there were fabricated

2474
01:38:33,410 --> 01:38:31,860
elements and so sadly we kind of get

2475
01:38:34,790 --> 01:38:33,420
into this you know again like you'd look

2476
01:38:36,200 --> 01:38:34,800
at a researcher if a researcher gives

2477
01:38:37,550 --> 01:38:36,210
you all kinds of interesting compelling

2478
01:38:41,600 --> 01:38:37,560
data but then all of a sudden it comes

2479
01:38:42,830 --> 01:38:41,610
around later that maybe two or three

2480
01:38:44,270 --> 01:38:42,840
things that they've said are entirely

2481
01:38:45,620 --> 01:38:44,280
false and fabricated then you have to

2482
01:38:47,210 --> 01:38:45,630
kind of question everything that person

2483
01:38:49,850 --> 01:38:47,220
says such as the case with these

2484
01:38:52,030 --> 01:38:49,860
documents if you've seen the film Mirage

2485
01:38:54,890 --> 01:38:52,040
mountain and the recent documentary

2486
01:38:56,600 --> 01:38:54,900
again looks at the reasons why this

2487
01:38:58,460 --> 01:38:56,610
information might have been in whole or

2488
01:39:00,350 --> 01:38:58,470
in part fabricated and then released to

2489
01:39:02,600 --> 01:39:00,360
certain people and certain factions of

2490
01:39:04,550 --> 01:39:02,610
the UFO community with the longer term

2491
01:39:06,350 --> 01:39:04,560
it was not all about taking you know mr.

2492
01:39:07,700 --> 01:39:06,360
bennet wits and and trying to steer his

2493
01:39:08,720 --> 01:39:07,710
interest it was obvious that they could

2494
01:39:10,580 --> 01:39:08,730
have told him look stop what you're

2495
01:39:12,020 --> 01:39:10,590
doing keep it hush-hush no they they

2496
01:39:13,820 --> 01:39:12,030
gave him this information and encouraged

2497
01:39:15,440 --> 01:39:13,830
it with the intention of it getting

2498
01:39:17,150 --> 01:39:15,450
around other UFO investigators we also

2499
01:39:18,530 --> 01:39:17,160
know that other investigators like Linda

2500
01:39:21,200 --> 01:39:18,540
Moulton Howe were treated in a similar

2501
01:39:23,030 --> 01:39:21,210
way why was it such that bad information

2502
01:39:24,890 --> 01:39:23,040
would be given to UFO researchers with

2503
01:39:26,150 --> 01:39:24,900
the intention of dissuading them were

2504
01:39:28,460 --> 01:39:26,160
controlling the way that the UFO

2505
01:39:30,770 --> 01:39:28,470
community actually interprets data about

2506
01:39:31,880 --> 01:39:30,780
UFOs if it had just been to basically

2507
01:39:33,500 --> 01:39:31,890
lead a couple of people

2508
01:39:35,420 --> 01:39:33,510
off the trail so to speak obviously

2509
01:39:36,740 --> 01:39:35,430
there seems to be a broader implication

2510
01:39:39,260 --> 01:39:36,750
here and I think that we have to look at

2511
01:39:40,790 --> 01:39:39,270
mj-12 in the context of a control

2512
01:39:44,240 --> 01:39:40,800
mechanism utilized by US intelligence

2513
01:39:46,070 --> 01:39:44,250
for trying to control the perceptions of

2514
01:39:47,750 --> 01:39:46,080
a group of the public that being the UFO

2515
01:39:49,430 --> 01:39:47,760
community so while Richard I think is

2516
01:39:51,260 --> 01:39:49,440
absolutely right that there's a lot of

2517
01:39:53,180 --> 01:39:51,270
complex information within those

2518
01:39:54,920 --> 01:39:53,190
documents evidence to me and to my

2519
01:39:56,570 --> 01:39:54,930
liking and many others in the community

2520
01:39:59,060 --> 01:39:56,580
especially Robert Hastings you know it

2521
01:40:00,890 --> 01:39:59,070
shows that we can't take at face value

2522
01:40:02,510 --> 01:40:00,900
everything that's presented in those

2523
01:40:03,830 --> 01:40:02,520
documents and frankly I think the

2524
01:40:06,470 --> 01:40:03,840
broader question is more about

2525
01:40:08,060 --> 01:40:06,480
government secrecy manipulation of the

2526
01:40:09,830 --> 01:40:08,070
minds of individuals in the public and

2527
01:40:11,720 --> 01:40:09,840
their reasons for doing so that's what

2528
01:40:14,300 --> 01:40:11,730
mj-12 is about to me well I think the

2529
01:40:16,820 --> 01:40:14,310
big point that Richard Dolan was making

2530
01:40:18,830 --> 01:40:16,830
is the sheer quantity of these documents

2531
01:40:20,360 --> 01:40:18,840
if you had one or two you figured what

2532
01:40:22,310 --> 01:40:20,370
you've got Richard Doty working in his

2533
01:40:24,020 --> 01:40:22,320
basement and he's knocking this out but

2534
01:40:26,900 --> 01:40:24,030
if you have a thick book of phony

2535
01:40:29,810 --> 01:40:26,910
documents or somewhat doctored documents

2536
01:40:33,800 --> 01:40:29,820
that seems to imply a really concerted

2537
01:40:36,770 --> 01:40:33,810
effort to what a very quick point on

2538
01:40:38,930 --> 01:40:36,780
this and my memory is also a bit fuzzy

2539
01:40:42,140 --> 01:40:38,940
but when this initially came out the

2540
01:40:45,680 --> 01:40:42,150
mj-12 documents I believe it was an

2541
01:40:48,830 --> 01:40:45,690
envelope posted to Jaime Chandra and in

2542
01:40:50,690 --> 01:40:48,840
that was microfilm of the documents if

2543
01:40:53,150 --> 01:40:50,700
that's correct was there ever any

2544
01:40:55,040 --> 01:40:53,160
physical documents that could be

2545
01:40:57,410 --> 01:40:55,050
examined or was it just these kind of

2546
01:40:59,150 --> 01:40:57,420
photos of them that's a good question

2547
01:41:01,520 --> 01:40:59,160
actually and I don't know that I am

2548
01:41:03,530 --> 01:41:01,530
aware of you know again I think that at

2549
01:41:05,180 --> 01:41:03,540
least I believe that there were some

2550
01:41:07,310 --> 01:41:05,190
actual physical documents and you're

2551
01:41:09,830 --> 01:41:07,320
actually gods you're asking specifically

2552
01:41:11,600 --> 01:41:09,840
about the mj-12 documents correct yes

2553
01:41:13,760 --> 01:41:11,610
okay yeah that's a good question I wish

2554
01:41:15,080 --> 01:41:13,770
I were more qualified to answer that as

2555
01:41:16,460 --> 01:41:15,090
I understand though there had actually

2556
01:41:18,620 --> 01:41:16,470
been physical copies and had it not been

2557
01:41:21,410 --> 01:41:18,630
the case that Stanton Friedman received

2558
01:41:23,000 --> 01:41:21,420
a grant to actually examine these well I

2559
01:41:24,980 --> 01:41:23,010
believe that that's the case gene do you

2560
01:41:27,350 --> 01:41:24,990
happen to know write off an off hand now

2561
01:41:28,520 --> 01:41:27,360
we'd have to ask Stan yeah if I remember

2562
01:41:29,630 --> 01:41:28,530
correctly and again I don't want to

2563
01:41:31,640 --> 01:41:29,640
misspeak but maybe one of the pair of

2564
01:41:34,100 --> 01:41:31,650
cast listeners can fill us in after the

2565
01:41:35,480 --> 01:41:34,110
fact but my understanding had been that

2566
01:41:37,610 --> 01:41:35,490
there had been a research grant that had

2567
01:41:40,040 --> 01:41:37,620
been actually provided to Stanton

2568
01:41:42,050 --> 01:41:40,050
Friedman who had conducted again his

2569
01:41:43,100 --> 01:41:42,060
analysis of the documents I my

2570
01:41:44,890 --> 01:41:43,110
understanding been that there'd actually

2571
01:41:45,790 --> 01:41:44,900
been physical documents

2572
01:41:47,560 --> 01:41:45,800
he had determined that he thought that

2573
01:41:49,830 --> 01:41:47,570
they were legitimate unfortunately

2574
01:41:51,209 --> 01:41:49,840
though that is contrary to what other

2575
01:41:53,260 --> 01:41:51,219
subsequent

2576
01:41:55,360 --> 01:41:53,270
examinations have determined and I think

2577
01:41:57,610 --> 01:41:55,370
that the evidence more than obviously

2578
01:41:59,320 --> 01:41:57,620
shows that there was fabrication going

2579
01:42:00,640 --> 01:41:59,330
on but again Richard Dolan brings up a

2580
01:42:02,439 --> 01:42:00,650
really good point in relation to the

2581
01:42:05,830 --> 01:42:02,449
fact that the sheer volume of

2582
01:42:07,689 --> 01:42:05,840
documentation seems to point to the idea

2583
01:42:09,280 --> 01:42:07,699
that there was a lot going on behind the

2584
01:42:11,350 --> 01:42:09,290
scenes which I think does lend some

2585
01:42:13,060 --> 01:42:11,360
credence to some of the ideas that are

2586
01:42:14,229 --> 01:42:13,070
presented researcher grant Cameron is

2587
01:42:15,820 --> 01:42:14,239
noted for instance that there was

2588
01:42:17,590 --> 01:42:15,830
discussion of a secret group of

2589
01:42:19,660 --> 01:42:17,600
individuals that would literally would

2590
01:42:21,640 --> 01:42:19,670
have been the majestic 12 or 13 maybe

2591
01:42:23,709 --> 01:42:21,650
Vannevar Bush I think it purportedly

2592
01:42:25,660 --> 01:42:23,719
been behind all this and there was

2593
01:42:27,939 --> 01:42:25,670
actually again in the Canadian National

2594
01:42:31,120 --> 01:42:27,949
Archives documentation that similarly

2595
01:42:32,500 --> 01:42:31,130
pointed to the very sorts of things

2596
01:42:34,209 --> 01:42:32,510
which would have had to have been again

2597
01:42:36,189 --> 01:42:34,219
coming from another government in North

2598
01:42:38,350 --> 01:42:36,199
America you know this would have been

2599
01:42:39,640 --> 01:42:38,360
entirely unrelated to the mj-12

2600
01:42:42,370 --> 01:42:39,650
documents released by the Air Force

2601
01:42:44,590 --> 01:42:42,380
supposedly Richard Doty or whoever and

2602
01:42:46,450 --> 01:42:44,600
so the thing is is that again some of

2603
01:42:49,180 --> 01:42:46,460
the information can kind of in in an odd

2604
01:42:51,700 --> 01:42:49,190
way be backed up and can be sort of

2605
01:42:52,899 --> 01:42:51,710
confirmed but maybe not all of it so I

2606
01:42:55,120 --> 01:42:52,909
think that they're inherently going to

2607
01:42:57,010 --> 01:42:55,130
be some truths mixed with untruths and

2608
01:42:58,600 --> 01:42:57,020
and it's all about manipulation but

2609
01:42:59,530 --> 01:42:58,610
that's really what manipulation is is

2610
01:43:02,110 --> 01:42:59,540
that you you have to give at least

2611
01:43:03,640 --> 01:43:02,120
enough credible data so that people will

2612
01:43:05,590 --> 01:43:03,650
buy what they're believing the problem

2613
01:43:06,910 --> 01:43:05,600
is is that they tend to buy into all of

2614
01:43:08,140 --> 01:43:06,920
it and believe everything including

2615
01:43:10,330 --> 01:43:08,150
people being transported to other

2616
01:43:12,310 --> 01:43:10,340
planets you know exchange programs with

2617
01:43:15,189 --> 01:43:12,320
alien races all kinds of things wouldn't

2618
01:43:18,959 --> 01:43:15,199
it be the case that these days if anyone

2619
01:43:21,820 --> 01:43:18,969
were to manufacture mj-12 documents

2620
01:43:23,439 --> 01:43:21,830
these days were the Internet

2621
01:43:26,110 --> 01:43:23,449
the access to the Internet it would be a

2622
01:43:28,750 --> 01:43:26,120
lot easier than it would have been back

2623
01:43:31,540 --> 01:43:28,760
in the early 80s because of that and

2624
01:43:33,580 --> 01:43:31,550
because there is far less interest

2625
01:43:36,430 --> 01:43:33,590
Numerical numbers of people interested

2626
01:43:39,640 --> 01:43:36,440
in ufology in the early 80s I would

2627
01:43:41,500 --> 01:43:39,650
imagine than compared to now I have to

2628
01:43:44,350 --> 01:43:41,510
think that the effort going and as

2629
01:43:47,200 --> 01:43:44,360
Richard Dolan says with his kind of

2630
01:43:49,540 --> 01:43:47,210
academic background worth documents and

2631
01:43:52,419 --> 01:43:49,550
historical things I would have to say

2632
01:43:54,459 --> 01:43:52,429
he's got a better idea than most of the

2633
01:43:57,070 --> 01:43:54,469
kind of work that would have to go into

2634
01:43:58,690 --> 01:43:57,080
faking them to the quality that though

2635
01:44:01,420 --> 01:43:58,700
did everyone would agree there

2636
01:44:04,090 --> 01:44:01,430
good quality fix and it took some quite

2637
01:44:05,680 --> 01:44:04,100
stringent testing to kind of on the

2638
01:44:07,840 --> 01:44:05,690
balance see their well they're probably

2639
01:44:09,880 --> 01:44:07,850
fake but it took a lot of work to get

2640
01:44:11,980 --> 01:44:09,890
there and I think Richard Dolan is

2641
01:44:13,660 --> 01:44:11,990
correct to point out to say that the

2642
01:44:17,260 --> 01:44:13,670
effort gone behind it bearing in mind

2643
01:44:19,420 --> 01:44:17,270
when that took place I think there has

2644
01:44:21,930 --> 01:44:19,430
to be something behind it because if

2645
01:44:23,710 --> 01:44:21,940
there was no kind of disinformation

2646
01:44:26,800 --> 01:44:23,720
motive behind it

2647
01:44:29,200 --> 01:44:26,810
I just don't see what any other motive

2648
01:44:31,750 --> 01:44:29,210
could be that strong enough to water

2649
01:44:32,920 --> 01:44:31,760
that kind of effort yeah certainly dogs

2650
01:44:34,960 --> 01:44:32,930
I mean that's that's the thing I think

2651
01:44:36,040 --> 01:44:34,970
the problem is isn't again I wish you

2652
01:44:37,300 --> 01:44:36,050
were here maybe I would be able to ask

2653
01:44:39,310 --> 01:44:37,310
him although I have discussed this at

2654
01:44:40,720 --> 01:44:39,320
least peripherally with Richard uh at

2655
01:44:42,970 --> 01:44:40,730
least as recently as the last few weeks

2656
01:44:45,010 --> 01:44:42,980
begin if I understand Richards position

2657
01:44:47,890 --> 01:44:45,020
on this correctly I would differ only in

2658
01:44:50,050 --> 01:44:47,900
that I think that he ascribes due to the

2659
01:44:51,490 --> 01:44:50,060
complexity of some of the information

2660
01:44:54,280 --> 01:44:51,500
and the number of documents within the

2661
01:44:55,930 --> 01:44:54,290
mj-12 releases that he ascribed that

2662
01:44:57,940 --> 01:44:55,940
there is actually some relevant UFO data

2663
01:45:01,390 --> 01:44:57,950
that may be the case but to me it is

2664
01:45:03,370 --> 01:45:01,400
almost entirely a issue of again

2665
01:45:04,960 --> 01:45:03,380
misdirection of the public utilizing

2666
01:45:07,300 --> 01:45:04,970
such information rather than one that

2667
01:45:09,220 --> 01:45:07,310
actually pertains to the actual UFO

2668
01:45:12,000 --> 01:45:09,230
phenomena itself if that makes sense

2669
01:45:14,710 --> 01:45:12,010
mj-12 and the related documents real

2670
01:45:16,750 --> 01:45:14,720
fabricated what we have Micah Hanks of

2671
01:45:19,510 --> 01:45:16,760
the graylien report at Greeley in report

2672
01:45:21,880 --> 01:45:19,520
calm we have dogs mckay one of our forum

2673
01:45:26,459 --> 01:45:21,890
moderators and guest co-host you're in

2674
01:45:32,280 --> 01:45:29,410
free from the shackles of Corporate

2675
01:45:38,550 --> 01:45:32,290
America we're the place for independent

2676
01:45:40,959 --> 01:45:38,560
thinkers Genesis is defined as an origin

2677
01:45:43,000 --> 01:45:40,969
creation for the beginning Genesis

2678
01:45:44,709 --> 01:45:43,010
communications network began with the

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01:47:52,080 --> 01:47:47,780
welcome back into the para cast the gold

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01:47:56,090 --> 01:47:52,090
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2713
01:47:58,020 --> 01:47:56,100
here's Jane Steinberg

2714
01:48:00,580 --> 01:47:58,030
[Music]

2715
01:48:02,650 --> 01:48:00,590
on the power cast Chris O'Brien is

2716
01:48:04,210 --> 01:48:02,660
struggling with Skype because it's a

2717
01:48:05,980 --> 01:48:04,220
Microsoft product and he has an iPhone

2718
01:48:08,140 --> 01:48:05,990
no I don't know if that's the reason

2719
01:48:09,790 --> 01:48:08,150
because I have a Mac and Skype seems to

2720
01:48:12,010 --> 01:48:09,800
be working okay more or less we've had

2721
01:48:14,380 --> 01:48:12,020
some connection difficulties with mica

2722
01:48:17,110 --> 01:48:14,390
and we won't try to explain that except

2723
01:48:18,910 --> 01:48:17,120
that his avatar is a green alien and

2724
01:48:21,490 --> 01:48:18,920
maybe Microsoft doesn't like green

2725
01:48:23,110 --> 01:48:21,500
aliens Myka if it's not Microsoft it's

2726
01:48:24,190 --> 01:48:23,120
obviously the secret government because

2727
01:48:25,780 --> 01:48:24,200
they don't like the information I'm

2728
01:48:27,160 --> 01:48:25,790
putting out right now okay we were

2729
01:48:29,920 --> 01:48:27,170
talking about the possibilities or

2730
01:48:32,980 --> 01:48:29,930
secret documents here so and this I

2731
01:48:35,830 --> 01:48:32,990
guess the age-old question here is all

2732
01:48:38,380 --> 01:48:35,840
these stories about the government

2733
01:48:40,420 --> 01:48:38,390
playing the games then we use mj-12 as

2734
01:48:44,260 --> 01:48:40,430
an example of possible government

2735
01:48:47,170 --> 01:48:44,270
tampering but all to just get a few

2736
01:48:49,990 --> 01:48:47,180
thousand UFO enthusiasts go wacko over

2737
01:48:52,480 --> 01:48:50,000
it to send a few researchers a strain

2738
01:48:55,390 --> 01:48:52,490
maybe not you know again to refer to a

2739
01:48:57,670 --> 01:48:55,400
past another past guest on the podcast

2740
01:48:59,800 --> 01:48:57,680
James carrion former director of MUFON

2741
01:49:01,510 --> 01:48:59,810
you know his perspective on this and one

2742
01:49:04,060 --> 01:49:01,520
that is mirrored often by Joseph P

2743
01:49:06,790 --> 01:49:04,070
Farrell is that there are intelligence

2744
01:49:09,370 --> 01:49:06,800
programs and agencies of course that are

2745
01:49:11,110 --> 01:49:09,380
seeking to utilize the UFO phenomenon

2746
01:49:12,430 --> 01:49:11,120
maybe it there's a valid phenomena let's

2747
01:49:14,440 --> 01:49:12,440
let's accept that at the outset that

2748
01:49:16,240 --> 01:49:14,450
maybe there is something going on that

2749
01:49:17,680 --> 01:49:16,250
is not human related or very least that

2750
01:49:19,510 --> 01:49:17,690
most of us don't know about government

2751
01:49:21,610 --> 01:49:19,520
agencies aren't behind but that wouldn't

2752
01:49:25,210 --> 01:49:21,620
remove the possibility that there could

2753
01:49:26,830 --> 01:49:25,220
be for use in maybe controlling not just

2754
01:49:28,510 --> 01:49:26,840
the public worse over a research

2755
01:49:30,820 --> 01:49:28,520
community who is interested in the UFO

2756
01:49:32,440 --> 01:49:30,830
subject but maybe for purpose of

2757
01:49:35,500 --> 01:49:32,450
controlling the ideas of different

2758
01:49:36,850 --> 01:49:35,510
countries and world leaders it could be

2759
01:49:39,490 --> 01:49:36,860
that there's psychological warfare

2760
01:49:43,120 --> 01:49:39,500
employed which utilizes the UFO meme as

2761
01:49:45,670 --> 01:49:43,130
kind of a vehicle for for instance let's

2762
01:49:47,770 --> 01:49:45,680
say that there's this concept that Nazi

2763
01:49:49,030 --> 01:49:47,780
ufos existed that the the Nazis during

2764
01:49:50,320 --> 01:49:49,040
the Second World War were building

2765
01:49:53,560 --> 01:49:50,330
saucers and things and bunkers

2766
01:49:55,060 --> 01:49:53,570
underground and we also see following

2767
01:49:57,250 --> 01:49:55,070
the Second World Wars Joseph Farrell has

2768
01:49:59,230 --> 01:49:57,260
pointed out you know flying saucer with

2769
01:50:01,780 --> 01:49:59,240
the iron cross that was purportedly seen

2770
01:50:03,010 --> 01:50:01,790
hovering over the Thames River in London

2771
01:50:04,960 --> 01:50:03,020
toward the end of the war this was

2772
01:50:06,340 --> 01:50:04,970
reported in the New York Times just a

2773
01:50:08,560 --> 01:50:06,350
few years after the end of the war and

2774
01:50:10,190 --> 01:50:08,570
so it's interesting that when we have

2775
01:50:12,200 --> 01:50:10,200
this that of course I should also pull

2776
01:50:13,370 --> 01:50:12,210
though also appeared after Kenneth

2777
01:50:16,490 --> 01:50:13,380
Arnold claimed he'd seen the

2778
01:50:18,050 --> 01:50:16,500
quote-unquote flying saucers in 1947 and

2779
01:50:20,660 --> 01:50:18,060
so what we're left with is the

2780
01:50:23,540 --> 01:50:20,670
interpretation that one could draw that

2781
01:50:25,130 --> 01:50:23,550
certain memes that appear in the public

2782
01:50:27,560 --> 01:50:25,140
maybe there were real aircraft that

2783
01:50:29,960 --> 01:50:27,570
someone like Kenneth Arnold mancine but

2784
01:50:32,720 --> 01:50:29,970
could the perception of that phenomena

2785
01:50:35,030 --> 01:50:32,730
be actually used in a way and maybe even

2786
01:50:37,130 --> 01:50:35,040
by mainstream American media and again

2787
01:50:39,200 --> 01:50:37,140
this is basically in part under control

2788
01:50:41,990 --> 01:50:39,210
of intelligence organizations and their

2789
01:50:44,360 --> 01:50:42,000
operations with the explicit purpose of

2790
01:50:46,670 --> 01:50:44,370
trying to change or direct dorsal or

2791
01:50:47,990 --> 01:50:46,680
steer the ideas of other world powers

2792
01:50:50,000 --> 01:50:48,000
and it all comes down to this in the end

2793
01:50:51,590 --> 01:50:50,010
if they perceive that we have captured

2794
01:50:53,990 --> 01:50:51,600
Nazi technology that could be weaponized

2795
01:50:55,460 --> 01:50:54,000
or of great use in warfare we're

2796
01:50:57,950 --> 01:50:55,470
carrying a big stick and they're not

2797
01:50:59,720 --> 01:50:57,960
gonna come and hit us with theirs so

2798
01:51:01,760 --> 01:50:59,730
that could be the argument just as well

2799
01:51:05,960 --> 01:51:01,770
I think but that's an interesting point

2800
01:51:08,420 --> 01:51:05,970
and I wonder if inverted commas the

2801
01:51:10,610 --> 01:51:08,430
Russian Roswell could that have been an

2802
01:51:13,370 --> 01:51:10,620
answer to that well you know if the

2803
01:51:16,070 --> 01:51:13,380
United States is gonna make on they have

2804
01:51:18,710 --> 01:51:16,080
captured technology and that makes them

2805
01:51:21,140 --> 01:51:18,720
you know further ahead and more worrying

2806
01:51:23,180 --> 01:51:21,150
to mess with obviously at there at the

2807
01:51:26,270 --> 01:51:23,190
time of that the Cold War the Soviet

2808
01:51:28,490 --> 01:51:26,280
Union was the other game in town it

2809
01:51:30,200 --> 01:51:28,500
would be interesting to wonder if the

2810
01:51:34,130 --> 01:51:30,210
Russians had gone down a similar route

2811
01:51:35,960 --> 01:51:34,140
truthfully or not using the UFO topic to

2812
01:51:38,360 --> 01:51:35,970
make it seem as if you know they had

2813
01:51:41,030 --> 01:51:38,370
greater technology weapons than they

2814
01:51:42,920 --> 01:51:41,040
actually did certainly and I think dogs

2815
01:51:45,230 --> 01:51:42,930
just as well that they wouldn't have

2816
01:51:47,660 --> 01:51:45,240
necessarily had to have knowledge of the

2817
01:51:50,750 --> 01:51:47,670
fact that something like Roswell maybe

2818
01:51:51,830 --> 01:51:50,760
had been concocted or something you know

2819
01:51:53,240 --> 01:51:51,840
along the lines of any of these UFO

2820
01:51:55,550 --> 01:51:53,250
reports that might be used for such

2821
01:51:57,560 --> 01:51:55,560
purposes by a government agency in order

2822
01:51:59,420 --> 01:51:57,570
to basically carry this idea that this

2823
01:52:01,040 --> 01:51:59,430
had been going on in other words Russia

2824
01:52:02,240 --> 01:52:01,050
could have been playing the same game to

2825
01:52:03,830 --> 01:52:02,250
try and battle something that they

2826
01:52:06,110 --> 01:52:03,840
perceived as a legitimate threat which

2827
01:52:07,910 --> 01:52:06,120
actually since the outset maybe the

2828
01:52:10,130 --> 01:52:07,920
government steering and engineering by

2829
01:52:12,830 --> 01:52:10,140
the u.s. all along so you know again

2830
01:52:14,960 --> 01:52:12,840
this is I think the bigger implication

2831
01:52:17,060 --> 01:52:14,970
of the idea that is espoused in the film

2832
01:52:18,590 --> 01:52:17,070
maraj men and of course which many UFO

2833
01:52:20,540 --> 01:52:18,600
researchers have considered for years

2834
01:52:22,070 --> 01:52:20,550
that while there may be a real phenomena

2835
01:52:23,240 --> 01:52:22,080
underlying all this how much of this

2836
01:52:24,920 --> 01:52:23,250
bubble that continues

2837
01:52:28,190 --> 01:52:24,930
grow is the result of the control of

2838
01:52:29,660 --> 01:52:28,200
perception of said phenomena by people

2839
01:52:31,250 --> 01:52:29,670
who would utilize it for their benefit

2840
01:52:34,490 --> 01:52:31,260
and it really may have a lot more to do

2841
01:52:36,110 --> 01:52:34,500
with again controlling world affairs at

2842
01:52:38,180 --> 01:52:36,120
least at certain points in time it

2843
01:52:40,280 --> 01:52:38,190
probably has and a little less to do

2844
01:52:41,480 --> 01:52:40,290
with controlling some you know segment

2845
01:52:43,700 --> 01:52:41,490
of the population that's interested in

2846
01:52:45,290 --> 01:52:43,710
UFOs I don't know that maybe this mirror

2847
01:52:46,940 --> 01:52:45,300
is what Colonel John Alexander is said

2848
01:52:48,560 --> 01:52:46,950
but I don't know that the US government

2849
01:52:50,660 --> 01:52:48,570
really has all that much concern about

2850
01:52:53,480 --> 01:52:50,670
what American citizens think about UFOs

2851
01:52:55,130 --> 01:52:53,490
unless it has to do with the idea that

2852
01:52:57,050 --> 01:52:55,140
certain people in the past and the 80s

2853
01:52:59,090 --> 01:52:57,060
we do know that this was taking place I

2854
01:53:00,710 --> 01:52:59,100
think on the trail of the saucer spies

2855
01:53:03,050 --> 01:53:00,720
by Nick Redfern documents this pretty

2856
01:53:04,700 --> 01:53:03,060
well the idea that some people who were

2857
01:53:06,380 --> 01:53:04,710
looking at UFOs it was believed they may

2858
01:53:07,730 --> 01:53:06,390
actually be looking into you know us

2859
01:53:09,680 --> 01:53:07,740
secrets and they may have been working

2860
01:53:11,780 --> 01:53:09,690
for other intelligences and different

2861
01:53:13,370 --> 01:53:11,790
you know nations and the like in trying

2862
01:53:15,470 --> 01:53:13,380
to actually reveal state secrets and so

2863
01:53:17,420 --> 01:53:15,480
there's there has been at times in the

2864
01:53:20,930 --> 01:53:17,430
past a concern that certain UFO

2865
01:53:22,550 --> 01:53:20,940
researchers were employing UFO research

2866
01:53:24,140 --> 01:53:22,560
as a cover for what they were actually

2867
01:53:26,210 --> 01:53:24,150
into and I think that there have been

2868
01:53:27,740 --> 01:53:26,220
legitimate reasons and instances where

2869
01:53:29,180 --> 01:53:27,750
people have been watched as a result of

2870
01:53:31,190 --> 01:53:29,190
that of course we have the case of

2871
01:53:34,310 --> 01:53:31,200
William Moore where supposedly he was

2872
01:53:36,500 --> 01:53:34,320
engaged in working with the government

2873
01:53:38,120 --> 01:53:36,510
or at least working with someone like

2874
01:53:40,670 --> 01:53:38,130
Richard Doty who sounds like a rogue

2875
01:53:43,490 --> 01:53:40,680
agent you gotta think that and if you

2876
01:53:47,900 --> 01:53:43,500
take all the interest that's grown since

2877
01:53:51,260 --> 01:53:47,910
their late 80s in area 51 now let's just

2878
01:53:53,150 --> 01:53:51,270
suppose for a second that 8051 has never

2879
01:53:56,090 --> 01:53:53,160
had anything to do with any kind of

2880
01:53:56,780 --> 01:53:56,100
flying saucer technology aliens none of

2881
01:53:59,660 --> 01:53:56,790
that stuff

2882
01:54:02,390 --> 01:53:59,670
what we do know having read things like

2883
01:54:05,900 --> 01:54:02,400
the u2 that it's right at the pinnacle

2884
01:54:08,810 --> 01:54:05,910
of testing of advanced military aircraft

2885
01:54:11,120 --> 01:54:08,820
so that would make it an absolute prime

2886
01:54:14,300 --> 01:54:11,130
target for foreign military intelligence

2887
01:54:16,280 --> 01:54:14,310
to be looking at as Micah and Jean

2888
01:54:19,790 --> 01:54:16,290
you've just said there it would be a

2889
01:54:22,310 --> 01:54:19,800
perfect cover for foreign spies maybe

2890
01:54:25,310 --> 01:54:22,320
not people we know in the UFO field but

2891
01:54:28,280 --> 01:54:25,320
basically to use the use the cover of

2892
01:54:30,590 --> 01:54:28,290
saying or we're interested in UFOs but

2893
01:54:32,960 --> 01:54:30,600
they were actually ignoring all that

2894
01:54:35,870 --> 01:54:32,970
nonsense and they're interested in what

2895
01:54:36,489 --> 01:54:35,880
is really definitely going on in area 51

2896
01:54:38,830 --> 01:54:36,499
so that

2897
01:54:41,350 --> 01:54:38,840
that's an example of why there could be

2898
01:54:45,609 --> 01:54:41,360
a genuine concern that people and

2899
01:54:48,129 --> 01:54:45,619
ufology are using it as a cover for real

2900
01:54:50,169 --> 01:54:48,139
spying if you like and how do you know

2901
01:54:51,850 --> 01:54:50,179
how do you find out how can you figure

2902
01:54:56,200 --> 01:54:51,860
that out how can you get a handle on it

2903
01:54:58,629 --> 01:54:56,210
and also how many people in the UFO

2904
01:55:01,120 --> 01:54:58,639
field are cooperating we always had this

2905
01:55:02,500 --> 01:55:01,130
joke over at the para cast forms of

2906
01:55:04,839 --> 01:55:02,510
forum got the para cast icon

2907
01:55:08,069 --> 01:55:04,849
occasionally mentioned on the show which

2908
01:55:10,569 --> 01:55:08,079
is how many people there are really

2909
01:55:11,709 --> 01:55:10,579
government agents I mean someone working

2910
01:55:12,910 --> 01:55:11,719
for the government

2911
01:55:14,229 --> 01:55:12,920
you know if someone might be working for

2912
01:55:15,819 --> 01:55:14,239
the government they just happen to be

2913
01:55:17,620 --> 01:55:15,829
interested in UFOs and they check us out

2914
01:55:19,239 --> 01:55:17,630
or the paranormal subjects and anything

2915
01:55:24,250 --> 01:55:19,249
else we deal with but someone

2916
01:55:29,229 --> 01:55:24,260
deliberately joining our forums to

2917
01:55:32,020 --> 01:55:29,239
spread weird things well it's very like

2918
01:55:33,759 --> 01:55:32,030
you at least maybe not the podcast forum

2919
01:55:37,180 --> 01:55:33,769
but it's very likely that there would be

2920
01:55:39,790 --> 01:55:37,190
people like above top secret and the

2921
01:55:41,890 --> 01:55:39,800
reason I say that is if we what we

2922
01:55:44,290 --> 01:55:41,900
definitely what we know Richard Doty is

2923
01:55:46,839 --> 01:55:44,300
admitted to in the past back in the

2924
01:55:49,029 --> 01:55:46,849
early eighties well you've got to

2925
01:55:53,109 --> 01:55:49,039
imagine that whatever reasons are were

2926
01:55:55,810 --> 01:55:53,119
for EFSA fo si to take an interest in

2927
01:55:58,509 --> 01:55:55,820
these martyrs back then I would imagine

2928
01:56:01,479 --> 01:55:58,519
that still applies now maybe even more

2929
01:56:03,759 --> 01:56:01,489
so so I would imagine that there are

2930
01:56:06,219 --> 01:56:03,769
people that what we know government

2931
01:56:10,180 --> 01:56:06,229
agencies have taken interest in the UFO

2932
01:56:12,189 --> 01:56:10,190
topic that that is fact so if they do

2933
01:56:14,469 --> 01:56:12,199
what better way than to keep their

2934
01:56:16,330 --> 01:56:14,479
finger on the pulse is to get involved

2935
01:56:19,989 --> 01:56:16,340
on internet forums where people there

2936
01:56:23,560 --> 01:56:19,999
are discussing the topic I think it must

2937
01:56:26,290 --> 01:56:23,570
go on yeah I would agree I think it did

2938
01:56:27,729 --> 01:56:26,300
without question at times occurs but I

2939
01:56:29,709 --> 01:56:27,739
don't think that that should be used of

2940
01:56:31,810 --> 01:56:29,719
course is something that you know breeds

2941
01:56:34,120 --> 01:56:31,820
paranoia because obviously there is a

2942
01:56:35,080 --> 01:56:34,130
lot of paranoia in this community people

2943
01:56:37,660 --> 01:56:35,090
who think that they've been watched

2944
01:56:40,120 --> 01:56:37,670
maybe some who have been you know very

2945
01:56:42,459 --> 01:56:40,130
legitimately observed and and they have

2946
01:56:44,799 --> 01:56:42,469
reason to suspect that kind of a thing

2947
01:56:46,000 --> 01:56:44,809
where this happened you know gene I've

2948
01:56:47,950 --> 01:56:46,010
got to ask you by the way because I know

2949
01:56:49,479 --> 01:56:47,960
with with your history of involvement in

2950
01:56:49,959 --> 01:56:49,489
UFOs have you ever felt like you've been

2951
01:56:54,790 --> 01:56:49,969
watched

2952
01:56:56,830 --> 01:56:54,800
letting me Dom overtly no no different

2953
01:56:59,800 --> 01:56:56,840
times I've been paranoid I know in the

2954
01:57:01,689 --> 01:56:59,810
early years when my first wife Geneva

2955
01:57:03,250 --> 01:57:01,699
and I were in regular touch with Richard

2956
01:57:06,160 --> 01:57:03,260
shaver and shaver of course claimed to

2957
01:57:08,290 --> 01:57:06,170
be in contact with these D rose and T

2958
01:57:09,670 --> 01:57:08,300
Rose who lived beneath the surface of

2959
01:57:13,689 --> 01:57:09,680
the earth he claimed that he had been

2960
01:57:15,850 --> 01:57:13,699
pursued by them and you could read these

2961
01:57:18,939 --> 01:57:15,860
long letters from Schafer and feel

2962
01:57:20,890 --> 01:57:18,949
little paranoid and I know one night I

2963
01:57:24,160 --> 01:57:20,900
remember I was working at this radio

2964
01:57:26,140 --> 01:57:24,170
station in Tuscumbia Alabama right next

2965
01:57:28,270 --> 01:57:26,150
to Muscle Shoals and I'm gonna leave

2966
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that as a cliffhanger get Micah Hanks

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2990
01:58:45,220 --> 01:58:42,740
been more important certainly not in my

2991
01:58:47,410 --> 01:58:45,230
22 years in the industry the dollar has

2992
01:58:48,550 --> 01:58:47,420
lost over 90% of its value in the last

2993
01:58:50,890 --> 01:58:48,560
60 years

2994
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no fiat currency has ever survived the

2995
01:58:56,340 --> 01:58:53,030
government printing presses ours is not

2996
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immune the time is now to be proactive

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01:59:03,340 --> 01:59:01,190
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01:59:07,180 --> 01:59:03,350
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2999
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3000
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you name it so decide do you want to

3001
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leave a legacy of wealth or debt for

3002
01:59:18,370 --> 01:59:13,580
your family the choice is yours

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01:59:20,650 --> 01:59:18,380
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one six be proactive not reactive call

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increased our price in over ten years

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02:00:30,339 --> 02:00:28,040
great a value now as it was the first

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day we sold it a healthy heart is

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02:00:37,029 --> 02:00:32,359
happy heart call eight six six two nine

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02:00:41,139 --> 02:00:38,989
complain about your cable bill going up

3016
02:00:42,969 --> 02:00:41,149
and up and I'll do something about it

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02:00:46,719 --> 02:00:42,979
grab a pencil and jot down this special

3018
02:00:48,520 --> 02:00:46,729
number one 855 905 my TV the more cable

3019
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TV rates go up the better digital

3020
02:00:52,810 --> 02:00:50,989
satellite TV looks say goodbye to the

3021
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Cable Guy and get more of your favorite

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02:00:55,629 --> 02:00:55,039
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less money

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your favorite shows pause and rewind

3031
02:01:18,369 --> 02:01:15,349
live TV even skip the commercials watch

3032
02:01:19,119 --> 02:01:18,379
local channels - at just $19.99 what are

3033
02:01:21,069 --> 02:01:19,129
you waiting for

3034
02:01:26,770 --> 02:01:21,079
pull out your major credit or debit card

3035
02:01:29,319 --> 02:01:26,780
call 185 905 my tb1 855 905 my TV say

3036
02:01:38,250 --> 02:01:29,329
goodbye to the Cable Guy cut costs and

3037
02:01:43,239 --> 02:01:41,229
we'd like to hear from you if you have a

3038
02:01:47,199 --> 02:01:43,249
comment or question about the para cast

3039
02:01:50,369 --> 02:01:47,209
sent it to News at the para cast com

3040
02:01:52,169 --> 02:01:50,379
that's news at the para cast

3041
02:01:55,830 --> 02:01:52,179
and don't forget to visit our famous

3042
02:02:00,359 --> 02:01:55,840
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3043
02:02:02,879 --> 02:02:00,369
para cast comm guest co-host Cox Makai

3044
02:02:04,949 --> 02:02:02,889
we have Micah Hanks the graylien report

3045
02:02:07,979 --> 02:02:04,959
then the question of course is whether I

3046
02:02:10,049 --> 02:02:07,989
felt I was being followed or pursued I

3047
02:02:11,939 --> 02:02:10,059
guess by government operatives no tell

3048
02:02:14,119 --> 02:02:11,949
you a story I was working at this

3049
02:02:16,679 --> 02:02:14,129
country in western radio station in

3050
02:02:19,729 --> 02:02:16,689
Tuscumbia Alabama which is part of the

3051
02:02:22,979 --> 02:02:19,739
Quad Cities of Florence Muscle Shoals

3052
02:02:24,959 --> 02:02:22,989
Tuscumbia Sheffield Alabama Muscle

3053
02:02:27,149 --> 02:02:24,969
Shoals by the way we all know that place

3054
02:02:29,149 --> 02:02:27,159
it's a very famous place and the reason

3055
02:02:31,889 --> 02:02:29,159
we know it is because a lot of famous

3056
02:02:33,659 --> 02:02:31,899
rock and blues recordings were made at

3057
02:02:35,699 --> 02:02:33,669
the Muscle Shoals sound studios like

3058
02:02:37,560 --> 02:02:35,709
Aretha Franklin and Percy Sledge did a

3059
02:02:40,020 --> 02:02:37,570
lot of recordings there okay so let's

3060
02:02:44,189 --> 02:02:40,030
get to the story so I had my first car

3061
02:02:45,810 --> 02:02:44,199
an Opel cadet compact car was a car that

3062
02:02:48,330 --> 02:02:45,820
was sold through the Buick dealerships

3063
02:02:50,609 --> 02:02:48,340
and so Geneva and I took it into the

3064
02:02:53,069 --> 02:02:50,619
country near the radio station it was

3065
02:02:56,009 --> 02:02:53,079
really dark there we were on a country

3066
02:02:57,839 --> 02:02:56,019
road two-lane road no streetlights or

3067
02:02:59,759 --> 02:02:57,849
anything like that and just one night we

3068
02:03:01,739 --> 02:02:59,769
got kind of scared for just a few

3069
02:03:04,560 --> 02:03:01,749
minutes and then I sided you know let me

3070
02:03:08,549 --> 02:03:04,570
just turn back and I turned back and I

3071
02:03:11,159 --> 02:03:08,559
went home and I guess during this rather

3072
02:03:14,219 --> 02:03:11,169
paranoid period and understand in my 20s

3073
02:03:17,520 --> 02:03:14,229
and studying actively the paranormal is

3074
02:03:20,040 --> 02:03:17,530
it possible here that maybe it all made

3075
02:03:22,229 --> 02:03:20,050
me just a wee bit paranoid and I could

3076
02:03:25,020 --> 02:03:22,239
say that evidently it did at least for

3077
02:03:27,239 --> 02:03:25,030
that particular short period of time

3078
02:03:29,639 --> 02:03:27,249
that's as close as it comes now

3079
02:03:30,839 --> 02:03:29,649
why sponsor the UFO convention Valley

3080
02:03:35,069 --> 02:03:30,849
Forge Pennsylvania

3081
02:03:37,979 --> 02:03:35,079
I think 1975 national UFO conference we

3082
02:03:41,009 --> 02:03:37,989
kind of wondered humorously whether any

3083
02:03:44,040 --> 02:03:41,019
of the people that were there happened

3084
02:03:45,779 --> 02:03:44,050
to be the token government agent but

3085
02:03:47,369 --> 02:03:45,789
that's as close as it came if you want

3086
02:03:49,319 --> 02:03:47,379
to look at paranoia and possible

3087
02:03:53,250 --> 02:03:49,329
government agents let's consider like

3088
02:03:57,060 --> 02:03:53,260
James mostly now mostly was the son of a

3089
02:04:00,179 --> 02:03:57,070
famous and very controversial army

3090
02:04:02,279 --> 02:04:00,189
officer George Van Horne Moseley who was

3091
02:04:03,000 --> 02:04:02,289
also a notorious anti-semite by the way

3092
02:04:05,010 --> 02:04:03,010
but

3093
02:04:07,260 --> 02:04:05,020
none of that carried over to Jim who

3094
02:04:09,360 --> 02:04:07,270
embraced everyone and there was a theory

3095
02:04:11,820 --> 02:04:09,370
in the 50s and 60s and part of it was a

3096
02:04:14,520 --> 02:04:11,830
joke with his friend gray Barker that

3097
02:04:16,830 --> 02:04:14,530
Jim must be the government plant in the

3098
02:04:19,920 --> 02:04:16,840
UFO field because of who his dad was and

3099
02:04:22,410 --> 02:04:19,930
he was obvious because he was so totally

3100
02:04:25,800 --> 02:04:22,420
the opposite of his father never hear

3101
02:04:27,720 --> 02:04:25,810
that Micah I hadn't heard that one no

3102
02:04:30,030 --> 02:04:27,730
you know again I think that when you've

3103
02:04:31,800 --> 02:04:30,040
got people who I actually point

3104
02:04:33,120 --> 02:04:31,810
something out by the way you know what

3105
02:04:35,430 --> 02:04:33,130
one of the first things that was asked

3106
02:04:37,500 --> 02:04:35,440
of me before I was allowed to go on the

3107
02:04:39,390 --> 02:04:37,510
late-night program coast-to-coast

3108
02:04:42,600 --> 02:04:39,400
I've been asked do you have people in

3109
02:04:43,950 --> 02:04:42,610
government who give you information and

3110
02:04:45,150 --> 02:04:43,960
I can't say that I've got some sort of

3111
02:04:47,550 --> 02:04:45,160
secret you know contacts or anything

3112
02:04:50,130 --> 02:04:47,560
like that no I've never been so lucky I

3113
02:04:51,990 --> 02:04:50,140
I do on the other hand have friends who

3114
02:04:54,060 --> 02:04:52,000
either have or even maybe currently work

3115
02:04:55,830 --> 02:04:54,070
with the space program who I talk with

3116
02:04:57,060 --> 02:04:55,840
regularly not just the space program

3117
02:04:58,560 --> 02:04:57,070
I've had friends who have been in law

3118
02:05:00,360 --> 02:04:58,570
enforcement people who had formerly

3119
02:05:01,920 --> 02:05:00,370
worked with agencies even like the NSA

3120
02:05:04,560 --> 02:05:01,930
back before we were supposed to know

3121
02:05:06,090 --> 02:05:04,570
that it existed um a lot of retired

3122
02:05:08,130 --> 02:05:06,100
individuals and people who have had

3123
02:05:09,570 --> 02:05:08,140
interest in this subject and I've never

3124
02:05:12,180 --> 02:05:09,580
ever once gotten some sort of a

3125
02:05:14,130 --> 02:05:12,190
revelatory secret from people like this

3126
02:05:16,620 --> 02:05:14,140
maybe just what I want to know that

3127
02:05:17,820 --> 02:05:16,630
certain things but but but what the

3128
02:05:19,170 --> 02:05:17,830
thing that we have in common and the

3129
02:05:20,190 --> 02:05:19,180
reason that I'm in contact with a lot of

3130
02:05:22,470 --> 02:05:20,200
these people they can give me

3131
02:05:24,570 --> 02:05:22,480
perspective on things maybe that occur

3132
02:05:26,160 --> 02:05:24,580
in echelons of government but they are

3133
02:05:28,770 --> 02:05:26,170
often just as interested in these

3134
02:05:29,910 --> 02:05:28,780
subjects as you or I would be and much

3135
02:05:31,110 --> 02:05:29,920
in the same way that if you were I

3136
02:05:33,000 --> 02:05:31,120
worked at an American academic

3137
02:05:34,470 --> 02:05:33,010
institution we had to kind of keep quiet

3138
02:05:36,180 --> 02:05:34,480
our interest in these sorts of things a

3139
02:05:37,740 --> 02:05:36,190
lot of people who I've known who were

3140
02:05:39,240 --> 02:05:37,750
either with the space program or who

3141
02:05:41,310 --> 02:05:39,250
work with you know law enforcement or

3142
02:05:43,400 --> 02:05:41,320
any kind of position academic government

3143
02:05:45,450 --> 02:05:43,410
whatever they have a very similar

3144
02:05:46,950 --> 02:05:45,460
disposition that they find themselves in

3145
02:05:48,870 --> 02:05:46,960
in which they are ridiculed by their

3146
02:05:51,210 --> 02:05:48,880
colleagues government academic whatever

3147
02:05:52,890 --> 02:05:51,220
if they express openly interest in or

3148
02:05:56,010 --> 02:05:52,900
belief in these kinds of things I

3149
02:05:57,870 --> 02:05:56,020
attended a fort fest back in May and or

3150
02:06:00,480 --> 02:05:57,880
March actually and the fort fest were

3151
02:06:01,980 --> 02:06:00,490
very famous events - funny things happen

3152
02:06:03,180 --> 02:06:01,990
they're actually in the same line of

3153
02:06:06,390 --> 02:06:03,190
thought there was a guy who was a former

3154
02:06:08,790 --> 02:06:06,400
CIA in intelligence Entry analyst I

3155
02:06:10,620 --> 02:06:08,800
believe what he did and a couple of my

3156
02:06:11,850 --> 02:06:10,630
friends I was there with Phyllis called

3157
02:06:14,220 --> 02:06:11,860
E and a couple of my friends they're

3158
02:06:15,510 --> 02:06:14,230
here too and said oh yeah he's the spook

3159
02:06:16,920 --> 02:06:15,520
he's the guy who's formerly of

3160
02:06:17,100 --> 02:06:16,930
government who's here in Sajit went over

3161
02:06:25,169 --> 02:06:17,110
in

3162
02:06:27,600 --> 02:06:25,179
wasn't some sort of an Asian I was a

3163
02:06:29,490 --> 02:06:27,610
communications guy but I'm interested in

3164
02:06:31,590 --> 02:06:29,500
all this stuff although I'm also a

3165
02:06:33,300 --> 02:06:31,600
skeptic and I'm interested in it from a

3166
02:06:34,620 --> 02:06:33,310
skeptical perspective I found out that

3167
02:06:35,609 --> 02:06:34,630
you know from talking with him he and I

3168
02:06:37,350 --> 02:06:35,619
had a lot in common

3169
02:06:38,550 --> 02:06:37,360
which raised a few eyebrows another

3170
02:06:40,260 --> 02:06:38,560
gentleman had claimed that he had

3171
02:06:41,669 --> 02:06:40,270
actually and I don't doubt this by any

3172
02:06:43,620 --> 02:06:41,679
means and saying he claimed but that's

3173
02:06:45,240 --> 02:06:43,630
what he said was that he had been a

3174
02:06:47,100 --> 02:06:45,250
science advisor to the Joint Chiefs a

3175
02:06:48,570 --> 02:06:47,110
number of years ago and said that the

3176
02:06:50,430 --> 02:06:48,580
problem with the you know the problem

3177
02:06:52,140 --> 02:06:50,440
with this fields is we need less science

3178
02:06:54,090 --> 02:06:52,150
involved and I said well I beg to differ

3179
02:06:55,439 --> 02:06:54,100
and he very respectfully stopped and

3180
02:06:57,390 --> 02:06:55,449
said let me again tell you I was a

3181
02:06:59,010 --> 02:06:57,400
science advisor to the Joint Chiefs so I

3182
02:07:00,600 --> 02:06:59,020
mean I I think I know what I'm talking

3183
02:07:03,450 --> 02:07:00,610
about I said well sure and I don't doubt

3184
02:07:05,609 --> 02:07:03,460
that you do but I disagree that we need

3185
02:07:06,990 --> 02:07:05,619
less science involved in this field I

3186
02:07:08,939 --> 02:07:07,000
think what we need is we need more

3187
02:07:11,459 --> 02:07:08,949
science but we need less science that

3188
02:07:13,740 --> 02:07:11,469
shows an obvious bias against these

3189
02:07:15,330 --> 02:07:13,750
topics UFOs whatever else you know

3190
02:07:17,280 --> 02:07:15,340
paranormal theme that you want to look

3191
02:07:19,410 --> 02:07:17,290
at and so which you know it shows very

3192
02:07:21,060 --> 02:07:19,420
interestingly to me that again there's

3193
02:07:23,310 --> 02:07:21,070
this perception the stigma if you will

3194
02:07:25,320 --> 02:07:23,320
attached to people in government or

3195
02:07:26,640 --> 02:07:25,330
people in other areas of interest you

3196
02:07:28,320 --> 02:07:26,650
know and that they are always out to get

3197
02:07:29,970 --> 02:07:28,330
the lowly researchers you know the Jim

3198
02:07:31,770 --> 02:07:29,980
Mosely the Jean steinberg's the gods

3199
02:07:34,050 --> 02:07:31,780
Makai or Myka Hanks's of the world of

3200
02:07:35,430 --> 02:07:34,060
Chris O'Brien's whoever when in fact I

3201
02:07:36,660 --> 02:07:35,440
think it's just the opposite often they

3202
02:07:38,010 --> 02:07:36,670
have just as much interest and they're

3203
02:07:39,629 --> 02:07:38,020
just as in the dark about these things

3204
02:07:41,609 --> 02:07:39,639
as you or I but nonetheless just as

3205
02:07:43,140 --> 02:07:41,619
interested welcomes the Jim mostly who

3206
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died a couple of years back if you want

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to get ahold of him you just get the

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Ouija board out I guess and see what

3209
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happens that would work God's by the way

3210
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we've had a few comments on the show we

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didn't have a lot of time to put it in

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02:07:57,840 --> 02:07:56,230
forum laughs the podcast calm and a

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question bank do we have any questions

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from our listeners or special requests

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well a couple of questions there's

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certainly a special request I'm wonder

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if they make us up for this but we we

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have a very very regular for remembered

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great guy called we'd rid still most of

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you in the forum will know him and he

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does have a question but first and

3222
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foremost he's asking it myself and Micah

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would sing him happy birthday I'm up for

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it oh god okay well on three okay go

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ahead count us down there count us off

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dogs one two

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three happy birthday to you to you we

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just lost all our listeners ladies and

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gentlemen that's it that's the end of

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the power cast we really did it now we

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really did a number on ourselves people

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say we do some pretty wacky things like

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have too many whacking commercials but

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now we have this entertainment and now

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we have to pay the royalties to the

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company who published happy birthday no

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it's less than 30 seconds if it's less

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than 30 seconds I think it becomes a

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sample and therefore you don't have to

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pay the copyright fee okay so wait also

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had a question did he not dogs yeah

3242
02:09:22,400 --> 02:09:19,290
this question was really for Micah and

3243
02:09:25,370 --> 02:09:22,410
he wanted to hear Micah's input on Loren

3244
02:09:27,230 --> 02:09:25,380
Coleman's postings on the Trident meme

3245
02:09:29,660 --> 02:09:27,240
that's not something I'm aware of but

3246
02:09:31,460 --> 02:09:29,670
I'm hoping Micah will be oh yeah I

3247
02:09:33,290 --> 02:09:31,470
happen to be qualified to discuss that

3248
02:09:35,180 --> 02:09:33,300
because Loren Coleman actually contacted

3249
02:09:38,030 --> 02:09:35,190
me direct contacted me about this

3250
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article which is wage referencing and

3251
02:09:41,210 --> 02:09:39,780
and asked me to participate or

3252
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contribute to it so we'll talk about

3253
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that on the other side of the break hey

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that's a good way to introduce it and

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maybe somebody in one of the commercials

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will make us all paranoid and ready to

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flee for our lives I don't know how

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those things work we have Micah Hanks

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longtime paranormal research for an

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author he has the graylien report and

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will tell you about that site shortly we

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have GOx Makai who talks to us from

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Scotland and says nothing about the

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attempt to become an independent country

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with gene and Micah and gods you're in

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hi dr. Lorraine Hurley here would you

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3376
02:14:45,799 --> 02:14:42,919
hi this is Ted Phillips listening to the

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para cast and it's as good as it gets

3378
02:14:59,419 --> 02:14:55,520
so let's continue the answer that long

3379
02:15:02,570 --> 02:14:59,429
question Micah Hanks what do ya say

3380
02:15:03,800 --> 02:15:02,580
so Loren Coleman contacted me a while

3381
02:15:06,290 --> 02:15:03,810
back as he did numerous other

3382
02:15:09,229 --> 02:15:06,300
researchers in the field and I'm by the

3383
02:15:11,060 --> 02:15:09,239
way a paraphrase really quickly a Wade's

3384
02:15:12,800 --> 02:15:11,070
question from before it was it was a

3385
02:15:15,380 --> 02:15:12,810
question about Loren Coleman's

3386
02:15:17,479 --> 02:15:15,390
perspectives on Trident sand and the

3387
02:15:20,270 --> 02:15:17,489
prevalence of the Trident kind of as a

3388
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meme in in media and maybe in literature

3389
02:15:22,640 --> 02:15:20,940
just his will

3390
02:15:24,200 --> 02:15:22,650
I can only ask that he requests that I

3391
02:15:26,330 --> 02:15:24,210
talk about this so that there will be no

3392
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further requests to hear dogs or I sing

3393
02:15:32,240 --> 02:15:29,699
but I digress the rest of the entire

3394
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existence of the para cast there will be

3395
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no requests I don't know maybe well see

3396
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ya exactly you know funny funny off I

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should say though I happen to actually

3398
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be professionally a singer who plays

3399
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with a band from time to time so it may

3400
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not have been the best rendition of

3401
02:15:52,070 --> 02:15:50,370
happy birthday I've ever done maybe I

3402
02:15:54,950 --> 02:15:52,080
could do a little better at night in a

3403
02:15:57,560 --> 02:15:54,960
smoky lounge or bar someplace now Lauren

3404
02:15:58,880 --> 02:15:57,570
had contacted me and many other

3405
02:16:00,110 --> 02:15:58,890
researchers in the field of course

3406
02:16:02,540 --> 02:16:00,120
Lauren and I've been friends for years

3407
02:16:04,790 --> 02:16:02,550
and I considered Lauren one of the the

3408
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brightest minds of course not just in

3409
02:16:08,930 --> 02:16:06,510
cryptozoology but really in for Tiana

3410
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and also I think he's one of the deepest

3411
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researchers maybe one of the best riders

3412
02:16:14,750 --> 02:16:12,900
- one who's been very influential to me

3413
02:16:16,189 --> 02:16:14,760
and so it's always cool when he you know

3414
02:16:18,080 --> 02:16:16,199
sends you an email and says Micah would

3415
02:16:19,900 --> 02:16:18,090
you contribute something to an article

3416
02:16:22,340 --> 02:16:19,910
I'm writing and I said well of course

3417
02:16:25,310 --> 02:16:22,350
and the premise was you know what

3418
02:16:27,830 --> 02:16:25,320
significance does the Trident hold if

3419
02:16:29,390 --> 02:16:27,840
any in in the media today and in culture

3420
02:16:32,179 --> 02:16:29,400
and of course the Trident I think is

3421
02:16:34,759 --> 02:16:32,189
most classically attributed to being the

3422
02:16:38,419 --> 02:16:34,769
the weapon welded by a poseidon of

3423
02:16:41,360 --> 02:16:38,429
course of ancient Greek mythology the

3424
02:16:43,879 --> 02:16:41,370
god of the the sea and whatnot you know

3425
02:16:47,419 --> 02:16:43,889
again the three-pronged trident to me

3426
02:16:49,459 --> 02:16:47,429
again is kind of representative of a

3427
02:16:51,770 --> 02:16:49,469
number of things in esoteric thinking

3428
02:16:53,929 --> 02:16:51,780
ranging from maybe the idea of

3429
02:16:55,730 --> 02:16:53,939
superstition associated with the number

3430
02:16:57,969 --> 02:16:55,740
three lucky number three three is a

3431
02:17:00,190 --> 02:16:57,979
round number things happen in threes

3432
02:17:03,200 --> 02:17:00,200
third time's the charm

3433
02:17:04,080 --> 02:17:03,210
333 p.m. you know or a.m. is considered

3434
02:17:05,849 --> 02:17:04,090
you know

3435
02:17:07,349 --> 02:17:05,859
a time of day that is of a special

3436
02:17:09,480 --> 02:17:07,359
significance and so I think that there

3437
02:17:12,299 --> 02:17:09,490
are a lot of numerological and and

3438
02:17:14,040 --> 02:17:12,309
esoteric aspects about the number three

3439
02:17:16,589 --> 02:17:14,050
that a lot of people kind of upend some

3440
02:17:18,810 --> 02:17:16,599
sort of a security or superstitious you

3441
02:17:21,209 --> 02:17:18,820
know good fortune to the Trident maybe

3442
02:17:22,410 --> 02:17:21,219
kind of kind of represents that and I

3443
02:17:24,929 --> 02:17:22,420
know that with regard to the twilight

3444
02:17:26,549 --> 02:17:24,939
language blog that Lauren put this essay

3445
02:17:28,530 --> 02:17:26,559
together where he asked numerous people

3446
02:17:30,120 --> 02:17:28,540
about this and what the Trident comes to

3447
02:17:33,209 --> 02:17:30,130
represent I should point out it wasn't

3448
02:17:35,370 --> 02:17:33,219
just Poseidon who actually had utilized

3449
02:17:37,709 --> 02:17:35,380
a three-pronged weapon in ancient

3450
02:17:40,259 --> 02:17:37,719
mythology there were other deities

3451
02:17:42,480 --> 02:17:40,269
including those in the Vedic epics of

3452
02:17:44,160 --> 02:17:42,490
Hindu tradition and and the like and of

3453
02:17:46,889 --> 02:17:44,170
course we also have in religious you

3454
02:17:48,030 --> 02:17:46,899
know mythologies even you know here in

3455
02:17:49,560 --> 02:17:48,040
the Western world of it with

3456
02:17:51,179 --> 02:17:49,570
Christianity there's the idea of the

3457
02:17:53,040 --> 02:17:51,189
Holy Trinity Father Son and Holy Spirit

3458
02:17:54,629 --> 02:17:53,050
so that number three seems to be

3459
02:17:56,759 --> 02:17:54,639
extremely prevalent and to me that was

3460
02:17:58,440 --> 02:17:56,769
the significance of the of the Trident

3461
02:18:00,719 --> 02:17:58,450
why the significance of the number three

3462
02:18:02,879 --> 02:18:00,729
who knows but but that was what Loren

3463
02:18:04,110 --> 02:18:02,889
Coleman had written I contributed and

3464
02:18:06,240 --> 02:18:04,120
that's what Wade is asking about a

3465
02:18:09,060 --> 02:18:06,250
belief okay thank you wait and I'm very

3466
02:18:10,919 --> 02:18:09,070
sorry about the song we'll try to have

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02:18:13,500 --> 02:18:10,929
it done better next time but not on this

3468
02:18:16,860 --> 02:18:13,510
show that's gonna be Wade's ringtone by

3469
02:18:19,320 --> 02:18:16,870
Monday oh my god can you imagine that

3470
02:18:21,660 --> 02:18:19,330
ringtone and people hear it on a

3471
02:18:22,980 --> 02:18:21,670
smartphone and they start running out of

3472
02:18:25,830 --> 02:18:22,990
the room he wants to get rid of people

3473
02:18:29,549 --> 02:18:25,840
he doesn't like play that ringtone and

3474
02:18:31,620 --> 02:18:29,559
remember I didn't offer at any time the

3475
02:18:36,750 --> 02:18:31,630
chance to sing God's anymore questions

3476
02:18:39,419 --> 02:18:36,760
yeah we've got one from SRL who is quite

3477
02:18:41,280 --> 02:18:39,429
a regular poster basically he's asking

3478
02:18:43,610 --> 02:18:41,290
if any of us will take a stab at the

3479
02:18:46,530 --> 02:18:43,620
following question or which type of

3480
02:18:49,320 --> 02:18:46,540
nuts-and-bolts craft me behave like a

3481
02:18:52,469 --> 02:18:49,330
time machine in having the ability to

3482
02:18:55,980 --> 02:18:52,479
materialize or D materialize with a

3483
02:18:57,629 --> 02:18:55,990
caveat that this isn't suggesting some

3484
02:18:59,959 --> 02:18:57,639
kind of cloaking technology

3485
02:19:04,620 --> 02:18:59,969
so nuts and bolts craft that may

3486
02:19:06,389 --> 02:19:04,630
materialize D materialize does that does

3487
02:19:08,910 --> 02:19:06,399
that behave like a time machine would

3488
02:19:11,250 --> 02:19:08,920
there be such a thing obviously come on

3489
02:19:13,740 --> 02:19:11,260
doctor who's TARDIS right yes yes but

3490
02:19:15,599 --> 02:19:13,750
remember the TARDIS is larger on the

3491
02:19:17,209 --> 02:19:15,609
inside than on the outside and this

3492
02:19:19,309 --> 02:19:17,219
TARDIS of course is on

3493
02:19:21,320 --> 02:19:19,319
various some sanitary modifications

3494
02:19:23,209 --> 02:19:21,330
every time they regenerate Doctor Who

3495
02:19:24,799 --> 02:19:23,219
they seem to redo the TARDIS depending

3496
02:19:26,839 --> 02:19:24,809
on the special effects and everything

3497
02:19:29,000 --> 02:19:26,849
exactly I guess it should also say that

3498
02:19:30,139 --> 02:19:29,010
maybe we would preclude the TARDIS from

3499
02:19:32,780 --> 02:19:30,149
this discussion because I think he'd

3500
02:19:34,879 --> 02:19:32,790
specifically said apart from chameleons

3501
02:19:36,799 --> 02:19:34,889
kind of you know or cloaking technology

3502
02:19:39,709 --> 02:19:36,809
we know that in fact this is employed by

3503
02:19:41,540 --> 02:19:39,719
the TARDIS to maintain that police box

3504
02:19:44,030 --> 02:19:41,550
external appearance bigger on the inside

3505
02:19:45,860 --> 02:19:44,040
indeed as one might say of the entire

3506
02:19:48,139 --> 02:19:45,870
nature of this discussion so I mean I

3507
02:19:50,240 --> 02:19:48,149
don't know again the question is is I've

3508
02:19:51,830 --> 02:19:50,250
often wondered if certain UFOs might not

3509
02:19:53,420 --> 02:19:51,840
be capable of what I call temporal

3510
02:19:55,190 --> 02:19:53,430
evasion or temporally evasive

3511
02:19:57,019 --> 02:19:55,200
technologies which are essentially

3512
02:19:58,639 --> 02:19:57,029
technologies that operate within the

3513
02:20:00,889 --> 02:19:58,649
boundaries of what we call space and

3514
02:20:02,929 --> 02:20:00,899
time in a way that we might liken to

3515
02:20:04,519 --> 02:20:02,939
time travel except I don't know that the

3516
02:20:05,960 --> 02:20:04,529
intention or purpose behind their

3517
02:20:08,510 --> 02:20:05,970
operation would be traveling through

3518
02:20:10,370 --> 02:20:08,520
time so much as again maybe modifying

3519
02:20:12,200 --> 02:20:10,380
the flux of space and time for purposes

3520
02:20:13,490 --> 02:20:12,210
of travel in which case really if we

3521
02:20:16,670 --> 02:20:13,500
want to get way out there we could even

3522
02:20:18,679 --> 02:20:16,680
look at a UFO as not a spaceship where

3523
02:20:21,740 --> 02:20:18,689
any kind of an aircraft but rather just

3524
02:20:24,290 --> 02:20:21,750
a device that travels by manipulation of

3525
02:20:26,719 --> 02:20:24,300
space-time itself which would would be

3526
02:20:28,849 --> 02:20:26,729
very different from the way a aircraft

3527
02:20:31,400 --> 02:20:28,859
utilizes you know principles of lift and

3528
02:20:33,440 --> 02:20:31,410
and of course the reliance on having air

3529
02:20:34,910 --> 02:20:33,450
in order to do that whether it's a

3530
02:20:36,320 --> 02:20:34,920
rocket or an aircraft you know like a

3531
02:20:37,969 --> 02:20:36,330
plane I mean a plane again the Chiefs

3532
02:20:40,130 --> 02:20:37,979
lift by reaching a certain speed and

3533
02:20:42,380 --> 02:20:40,140
there's that the 45 or so degree

3534
02:20:43,880 --> 02:20:42,390
altitude that we even see birds employee

3535
02:20:45,590 --> 02:20:43,890
as they're taking off which you know

3536
02:20:47,179 --> 02:20:45,600
seems to be a natural constant when

3537
02:20:48,860 --> 02:20:47,189
you're using air to achieve lift with a

3538
02:20:51,019 --> 02:20:48,870
rocket of course if you're gonna be able

3539
02:20:53,269 --> 02:20:51,029
to burn fuel and you know create the

3540
02:20:54,889 --> 02:20:53,279
thrust necessary to propel a rocket

3541
02:20:56,389 --> 02:20:54,899
upward and out of us atmosphere yet

3542
02:20:58,160 --> 02:20:56,399
again you're still gonna need oxygen so

3543
02:21:00,679 --> 02:20:58,170
we may be looking at varieties of

3544
02:21:02,120 --> 02:21:00,689
technologies that are able to operate in

3545
02:21:04,700 --> 02:21:02,130
the absence of oxygen they don't utilize

3546
02:21:06,830 --> 02:21:04,710
air for achieving lift either through

3547
02:21:08,690 --> 02:21:06,840
propulsion or through you know classical

3548
02:21:10,250 --> 02:21:08,700
aerodynamics and if that's the case we

3549
02:21:12,290 --> 02:21:10,260
may not be talking about aircraft or

3550
02:21:14,090 --> 02:21:12,300
spacecraft so much as technologies that

3551
02:21:16,130 --> 02:21:14,100
warp space-time if indeed that's the

3552
02:21:17,510 --> 02:21:16,140
case time is warped along with the

3553
02:21:19,429 --> 02:21:17,520
warpage of space and yeah there may be

3554
02:21:21,590 --> 02:21:19,439
something that's temporally evasive ie a

3555
02:21:22,729 --> 02:21:21,600
time machine or something similar yeah I

3556
02:21:26,769 --> 02:21:22,739
agree

3557
02:21:27,920 --> 02:21:26,779
I suppose if we in the classical view of

3558
02:21:29,929 --> 02:21:27,930
UFOs

3559
02:21:30,890 --> 02:21:29,939
maybe being you know the flying saucer

3560
02:21:34,070 --> 02:21:30,900
from another plan

3561
02:21:37,280 --> 02:21:34,080
we know that the distances are so huge

3562
02:21:39,410 --> 02:21:37,290
that any such craft either would be

3563
02:21:42,710 --> 02:21:39,420
traveling for such a long time at

3564
02:21:45,710 --> 02:21:42,720
sublight speeds or if there was some way

3565
02:21:50,750 --> 02:21:45,720
to kind of cheat that by warping space

3566
02:21:54,770 --> 02:21:50,760
and time then obviously that obviously

3567
02:21:57,950 --> 02:21:54,780
that would there a craft could appear to

3568
02:22:00,440 --> 02:21:57,960
disappear but simply D materialize if

3569
02:22:03,230 --> 02:22:00,450
like but simply just by virtue of moving

3570
02:22:06,380 --> 02:22:03,240
so quickly you know if it has to be is

3571
02:22:10,250 --> 02:22:06,390
quicker than our eyes or any kind of a

3572
02:22:12,350 --> 02:22:10,260
motion capture on a camera and so if

3573
02:22:15,650 --> 02:22:12,360
something leaves quick enough or arrives

3574
02:22:18,020 --> 02:22:15,660
quick enough it may appear to just

3575
02:22:20,990 --> 02:22:18,030
materialize or D materialize in one

3576
02:22:23,810 --> 02:22:21,000
space like weic weick a-- says as well I

3577
02:22:25,610 --> 02:22:23,820
personally think just looking at what

3578
02:22:29,750 --> 02:22:25,620
looking at the kind of characteristics

3579
02:22:32,301 --> 02:22:29,760
of reported UFO UFOs are the flight

3580
02:22:34,610 --> 02:22:32,311
characteristics if you think about the

3581
02:22:36,830 --> 02:22:34,620
90-degree turn the instant acceleration

3582
02:22:39,290 --> 02:22:36,840
and all that there's no two ways about

3583
02:22:42,560 --> 02:22:39,300
it if they exist they must have somehow

3584
02:22:45,530 --> 02:22:42,570
found a way to overcome inertia to

3585
02:22:47,841 --> 02:22:45,540
completely subvert it because never mind

3586
02:22:50,420 --> 02:22:47,851
human beings or alien beings I think

3587
02:22:53,350 --> 02:22:50,430
just the technology inside would be

3588
02:22:57,350 --> 02:22:53,360
crushed to nothing by the massive

3589
02:23:00,250 --> 02:22:57,360
g-forces of the acceleration so I've

3590
02:23:03,920 --> 02:23:00,260
often thought under I also think that

3591
02:23:06,410 --> 02:23:03,930
the whole thing about losing time

3592
02:23:08,870 --> 02:23:06,420
missing time and abductions I've also

3593
02:23:13,040 --> 02:23:08,880
wondered if that sometime isn't just

3594
02:23:15,290 --> 02:23:13,050
simply a byproduct of being close to a

3595
02:23:19,190 --> 02:23:15,300
field that is locally affecting

3596
02:23:20,841 --> 02:23:19,200
space-time that's me yeah that's a very

3597
02:23:22,400 --> 02:23:20,851
good idea by the way

3598
02:23:23,960 --> 02:23:22,410
and I've wanted the exact same thing

3599
02:23:25,280 --> 02:23:23,970
with regard to what we call missing tamo

3600
02:23:26,420 --> 02:23:25,290
I think it may have less to do with

3601
02:23:28,511 --> 02:23:26,430
being taken aboard craft

3602
02:23:30,560 --> 02:23:28,521
having to memory washed and then

3603
02:23:32,030 --> 02:23:30,570
reappearing hours later I think you

3604
02:23:33,560 --> 02:23:32,040
could have everything to do because some

3605
02:23:35,810 --> 02:23:33,570
people report the missing Tom with or

3606
02:23:38,270 --> 02:23:35,820
without a purported abduction experience

3607
02:23:39,890 --> 02:23:38,280
they may see a UFO and then suddenly it

3608
02:23:42,380 --> 02:23:39,900
seems like all this time has been lost

3609
02:23:44,060 --> 02:23:42,390
and again it could be the immediate

3610
02:23:44,630 --> 02:23:44,070
effects of the warpage of space and time

3611
02:23:46,429 --> 02:23:44,640
and again this is

3612
02:23:48,170 --> 02:23:46,439
entirely speculative a lot of people

3613
02:23:49,610 --> 02:23:48,180
would say that there's nothing to that

3614
02:23:51,320 --> 02:23:49,620
there's no way that you can substantiate

3615
02:23:53,599 --> 02:23:51,330
that but there has to be something that

3616
02:23:55,580 --> 02:23:53,609
accounts for the high strangeness in the

3617
02:23:57,320 --> 02:23:55,590
anecdote witness reports in relation to

3618
02:24:00,139 --> 02:23:57,330
these kind of UFO cases so that's a

3619
02:24:03,080 --> 02:24:00,149
strong possibility to me well we have to

3620
02:24:05,660 --> 02:24:03,090
wonder about warp drive engage or maybe

3621
02:24:08,090 --> 02:24:05,670
some of the UFOs we see are some kind of

3622
02:24:09,979 --> 02:24:08,100
projection and not the real thing which

3623
02:24:14,090 --> 02:24:09,989
is another reason why they may winkin

3624
02:24:18,500 --> 02:24:14,100
and wink out okay winking in winking out

3625
02:24:25,870 --> 02:24:18,510
who knows God's Makai Micah Hanks gene

3626
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independently leading the way for the

3627
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nation compelling talk for every

3628
02:24:37,580 --> 02:24:32,340
political persuasion

3629
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we are attack of the rock odes has been

3630
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well received by critics and readers

3631
02:24:44,120 --> 02:24:41,340
alike it's a thrill a minute story

3632
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3633
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intelligence officer is haunted by

3634
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intense dreams about a beautiful woman

3635
02:24:54,110 --> 02:24:51,390
pleading for his help after a terrible

3636
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battle in outer space but the dreams

3637
02:24:58,070 --> 02:24:56,399
turn out to be true and thrust him into

3638
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a telepathic love affair with a woman

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who's faraway planet is intent on

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3660
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3731
02:28:55,380 --> 02:28:52,939
probably won't hear anywhere else what a

3732
02:28:58,030 --> 02:28:55,390
fast-moving episode I mean the theme was

3733
02:28:59,860 --> 02:28:58,040
Halloween weekend but then we got into

3734
02:29:03,700 --> 02:28:59,870
so many different topics not just ghosts

3735
02:29:06,370 --> 02:29:03,710
and Bigfoot the mirage men and mj-12 and

3736
02:29:09,040 --> 02:29:06,380
all sorts of UFO related stuff and about

3737
02:29:10,870 --> 02:29:09,050
reality the various images of our

3738
02:29:13,030 --> 02:29:10,880
reality the gods you have any more

3739
02:29:15,070 --> 02:29:13,040
questions left no I think that's it

3740
02:29:17,290 --> 02:29:15,080
really there was a question from Paul to

3741
02:29:20,290 --> 02:29:17,300
worse but I don't think he was really

3742
02:29:22,630 --> 02:29:20,300
addressing it to us yeah it's it's

3743
02:29:25,179 --> 02:29:22,640
really about Erich von Daniken and I

3744
02:29:27,520 --> 02:29:25,189
think he was really was he maybe looking

3745
02:29:29,380 --> 02:29:27,530
for that to go to the third Dolan III

3746
02:29:32,530 --> 02:29:29,390
accident understand what the question

3747
02:29:34,120 --> 02:29:32,540
was about did you read it Micah I didn't

3748
02:29:35,740 --> 02:29:34,130
happen to but gene if you're game I mean

3749
02:29:36,910 --> 02:29:35,750
you're welcome to read it I can see if I

3750
02:29:39,969 --> 02:29:36,920
hit maybe it's something I could answer

3751
02:29:42,639 --> 02:29:39,979
well I'll read it verbatim but III don't

3752
02:29:44,740 --> 02:29:42,649
really understand it's this is it since

3753
02:29:47,590 --> 02:29:44,750
he dismissed it last time I'd like to

3754
02:29:50,200 --> 02:29:47,600
know if he's looked up or maybe read to

3755
02:29:53,110 --> 02:29:50,210
me and the planet of lies by Erich von

3756
02:29:55,240 --> 02:29:53,120
Daniken it's written as a novel but von

3757
02:29:57,400 --> 02:29:55,250
Daniken claims it happened and reads

3758
02:30:01,170 --> 02:29:57,410
like a mixture of secret service tiller

3759
02:30:02,860 --> 02:30:01,180
and star man the 1984 movie

3760
02:30:05,500 --> 02:30:02,870
coincidentally I've just recently

3761
02:30:08,290 --> 02:30:05,510
stumbled upon a 30 year old German book

3762
02:30:10,270 --> 02:30:08,300
a collection of alleged real paranormal

3763
02:30:12,290 --> 02:30:10,280
experiences by well-known people in the

3764
02:30:14,480 --> 02:30:12,300
german-speaking countries

3765
02:30:17,059 --> 02:30:14,490
which von daniken starts to tell the

3766
02:30:19,070 --> 02:30:17,069
exact same story only the name of this

3767
02:30:21,080 --> 02:30:19,080
system is different indicates that

3768
02:30:22,520 --> 02:30:21,090
something miraculous happened but then

3769
02:30:25,040 --> 02:30:22,530
brings the story to a rather

3770
02:30:27,320 --> 02:30:25,050
disappointing end leaving out everything

3771
02:30:29,000 --> 02:30:27,330
about the alleged visitor I'm totally

3772
02:30:31,880 --> 02:30:29,010
lost with this was this referring to

3773
02:30:33,980 --> 02:30:31,890
your previous appearance mica I don't

3774
02:30:35,420 --> 02:30:33,990
think so I know that previously in the

3775
02:30:37,370 --> 02:30:35,430
para caste forms there'd been some

3776
02:30:39,320 --> 02:30:37,380
questions about you know erich von

3777
02:30:41,330 --> 02:30:39,330
daniken and and i think what people

3778
02:30:43,010 --> 02:30:41,340
perceive is my endorsement of him you

3779
02:30:44,240 --> 02:30:43,020
know I can say this about von Daniken

3780
02:30:45,800 --> 02:30:44,250
and I don't think that question right

3781
02:30:46,760 --> 02:30:45,810
there was for me because I'm unfamiliar

3782
02:30:49,219 --> 02:30:46,770
with the book that the gentleman is

3783
02:30:50,870 --> 02:30:49,229
asking about but you know the wrong in

3784
02:30:52,400 --> 02:30:50,880
the short of von Daniken is is that and

3785
02:30:54,170 --> 02:30:52,410
it's publicly available I think on his

3786
02:30:56,389 --> 02:30:54,180
Wikipedia page and elsewhere you know he

3787
02:30:57,650 --> 02:30:56,399
had embezzled money as a young man you

3788
02:30:58,940 --> 02:30:57,660
know whether you choose to look at those

3789
02:31:00,800 --> 02:30:58,950
things and forgive those kinds of

3790
02:31:03,080 --> 02:31:00,810
experiences and things that he had done

3791
02:31:05,240 --> 02:31:03,090
in the past again my point has been that

3792
02:31:08,090 --> 02:31:05,250
I think he has had an obvious cultural

3793
02:31:10,550 --> 02:31:08,100
impact on people with his riding whether

3794
02:31:12,620 --> 02:31:10,560
it be people in UFO circles or people in

3795
02:31:14,990 --> 02:31:12,630
Hollywood Ridley Scott of course in the

3796
02:31:16,670 --> 02:31:15,000
film prometheus had been kind of based

3797
02:31:18,500 --> 02:31:16,680
on the writings of von Daniken so he's a

3798
02:31:20,690 --> 02:31:18,510
person who I think for that reason is

3799
02:31:22,190 --> 02:31:20,700
very culturally significant but by the

3800
02:31:24,139 --> 02:31:22,200
same token I don't and I've said this

3801
02:31:26,150 --> 02:31:24,149
many times I don't prescribe to ancient

3802
02:31:27,559 --> 02:31:26,160
alien theory personally and I don't look

3803
02:31:29,300 --> 02:31:27,569
at von Daniken's viewpoint of the

3804
02:31:31,040 --> 02:31:29,310
ancient past as being the be-all end-all

3805
02:31:33,469 --> 02:31:31,050
in fact I completely disagree with that

3806
02:31:36,200 --> 02:31:33,479
perspective let me ask you why why don't

3807
02:31:38,570 --> 02:31:36,210
you think that even if UFOs are real now

3808
02:31:40,550 --> 02:31:38,580
that they wouldn't have been here for

3809
02:31:43,370 --> 02:31:40,560
not just hundreds of years but thousands

3810
02:31:45,349 --> 02:31:43,380
of years it's a distinct possibility if

3811
02:31:46,820 --> 02:31:45,359
we're talking about UFOs and in the

3812
02:31:48,710 --> 02:31:46,830
context of being something that is not

3813
02:31:50,780 --> 02:31:48,720
human again the thing is is that we can

3814
02:31:52,370 --> 02:31:50,790
acknowledge those possibilities my

3815
02:31:54,020 --> 02:31:52,380
approach and what I try to fundamentally

3816
02:31:56,389 --> 02:31:54,030
you know espouse when I'm talking about

3817
02:31:59,120 --> 02:31:56,399
UFOs is based on what we can you know

3818
02:32:01,700 --> 02:31:59,130
infer or deduce from a logical

3819
02:32:04,130 --> 02:32:01,710
observation of this now my logical

3820
02:32:06,380 --> 02:32:04,140
observation of UFOs has led me to a

3821
02:32:07,700 --> 02:32:06,390
mostly skeptical disposition on this

3822
02:32:10,219 --> 02:32:07,710
although I'm still accused of being a

3823
02:32:12,080 --> 02:32:10,229
person who you know again discusses it

3824
02:32:13,670 --> 02:32:12,090
frequently so that I can pander

3825
02:32:14,900 --> 02:32:13,680
mysteries to people and therefore have

3826
02:32:16,370 --> 02:32:14,910
something to write about that's not the

3827
02:32:17,000 --> 02:32:16,380
case at all I'm genuinely interested in

3828
02:32:18,770 --> 02:32:17,010
the subject

3829
02:32:20,599 --> 02:32:18,780
I'm skeptical because again I find that

3830
02:32:22,370 --> 02:32:20,609
there's no hard evidence that we can use

3831
02:32:24,080 --> 02:32:22,380
that that proves that we're dealing with

3832
02:32:25,599 --> 02:32:24,090
spaceships visiting from another planet

3833
02:32:26,889 --> 02:32:25,609
in which case if they had been

3834
02:32:28,689 --> 02:32:26,899
yeah who's to say that they hadn't

3835
02:32:30,099 --> 02:32:28,699
visited in ancient times but the

3836
02:32:32,139 --> 02:32:30,109
evidence that the ancient astronaut

3837
02:32:34,510 --> 02:32:32,149
theorists like von Daniken use to

3838
02:32:36,309 --> 02:32:34,520
support that idea could just as easily

3839
02:32:38,050 --> 02:32:36,319
be interpreted as being the evidence of

3840
02:32:39,849 --> 02:32:38,060
maybe psychoactive substances they'd

3841
02:32:41,289 --> 02:32:39,859
been taking drink west's all different

3842
02:32:43,359 --> 02:32:41,299
kinds of visions that you could have

3843
02:32:46,119 --> 02:32:43,369
apart from having a UFO experience and

3844
02:32:48,489 --> 02:32:46,129
that these things again recorded on cave

3845
02:32:49,419 --> 02:32:48,499
walls or an ancient you know manuscripts

3846
02:32:51,639 --> 02:32:49,429
or anything they could be interpreted

3847
02:32:52,959 --> 02:32:51,649
again as being any number of things

3848
02:32:55,059 --> 02:32:52,969
without having to suppose that they

3849
02:32:57,159 --> 02:32:55,069
involve UFOs so yeah the possibility

3850
02:32:59,919 --> 02:32:57,169
certainly exists but that really has

3851
02:33:01,899 --> 02:32:59,929
more to me to do with what is a UFO and

3852
02:33:03,159 --> 02:33:01,909
and I don't know necessarily that we

3853
02:33:05,289 --> 02:33:03,169
have enough evidence to support that

3854
02:33:07,089 --> 02:33:05,299
merely enough evidence I think to

3855
02:33:09,099 --> 02:33:07,099
support that there is a phenomenon and I

3856
02:33:10,989 --> 02:33:09,109
strongly disagree with those of the

3857
02:33:12,189 --> 02:33:10,999
skeptical ilk who say that there is no

3858
02:33:13,599 --> 02:33:12,199
evidence because I think that there is

3859
02:33:17,139 --> 02:33:13,609
it's just trying to interpret what that

3860
02:33:20,469 --> 02:33:17,149
is oh my god I think what we can tribute

3861
02:33:23,109 --> 02:33:20,479
to von Daniken is I've read fingerprints

3862
02:33:25,269 --> 02:33:23,119
the gods I suppose like a lot of people

3863
02:33:28,419 --> 02:33:25,279
for a lot of people it may have been the

3864
02:33:30,550 --> 02:33:28,429
first time they had their eyes open just

3865
02:33:32,889 --> 02:33:30,560
to many ancient mysteries you know

3866
02:33:36,179 --> 02:33:32,899
forgetting whether it's ancient aliens

3867
02:33:39,579 --> 02:33:36,189
or any other explanation simply just

3868
02:33:42,369 --> 02:33:39,589
highlighting worldwide a very

3869
02:33:44,709 --> 02:33:42,379
interesting ancient mysteries and maybe

3870
02:33:46,959 --> 02:33:44,719
not even the mysteries just highlighting

3871
02:33:49,689 --> 02:33:46,969
some interesting objects and places

3872
02:33:52,569 --> 02:33:49,699
around the world von Daniken because his

3873
02:33:54,609 --> 02:33:52,579
book has sold so many copies and it's

3874
02:33:57,699 --> 02:33:54,619
been translated into so many different

3875
02:34:01,239 --> 02:33:57,709
languages just just for that fact alone

3876
02:34:04,869 --> 02:34:01,249
he he is enormous in in the culture for

3877
02:34:08,349 --> 02:34:04,879
bringing a whole world of stuff to

3878
02:34:10,089 --> 02:34:08,359
people who may otherwise not have heard

3879
02:34:13,119 --> 02:34:10,099
of that because I think for a lot of

3880
02:34:15,879 --> 02:34:13,129
people it's a kind of gateway book it's

3881
02:34:17,859 --> 02:34:15,889
not kind of hardcore paranormal it's the

3882
02:34:19,510 --> 02:34:17,869
kind of book that maybe even people who

3883
02:34:21,639 --> 02:34:19,520
are not that interested in the

3884
02:34:23,649 --> 02:34:21,649
paranormal they might have that sitting

3885
02:34:26,139 --> 02:34:23,659
there boat and I imagine a lot of people

3886
02:34:28,599 --> 02:34:26,149
came across it because maybe an older

3887
02:34:31,239 --> 02:34:28,609
brother or a parent had it and that was

3888
02:34:33,279 --> 02:34:31,249
the stepping stone for them to get into

3889
02:34:35,919 --> 02:34:33,289
the paranormal it didn't happen to be

3890
02:34:37,239 --> 02:34:35,929
the stepping stone for myself but I can

3891
02:34:39,480 --> 02:34:37,249
certainly see that it could be

3892
02:34:41,190 --> 02:34:39,490
considering how many copies that are

3893
02:34:43,890 --> 02:34:41,200
I think that that's what we have to give

3894
02:34:45,690 --> 02:34:43,900
to von daniken dogs real quick you'd

3895
02:34:46,980 --> 02:34:45,700
said fingerprints of the gods did you

3896
02:34:50,190 --> 02:34:46,990
mean chariots of the gods

3897
02:34:51,690 --> 02:34:50,200
yes no no problem easy mistake to make

3898
02:34:53,100 --> 02:34:51,700
all them really the same could be said

3899
02:34:54,120 --> 02:34:53,110
of the other book I just wanted to make

3900
02:34:55,850 --> 02:34:54,130
sure that you weren't because I'd been

3901
02:34:58,080 --> 02:34:55,860
discussing the idea of entheogenic

3902
02:34:59,040 --> 02:34:58,090
experiences with psychoactive substances

3903
02:35:00,660 --> 02:34:59,050
as being a different interpretation

3904
02:35:02,610 --> 02:35:00,670
which is sort of what Graham Hancock

3905
02:35:03,780 --> 02:35:02,620
with yeah books and research has done so

3906
02:35:04,921 --> 02:35:03,790
I wanted to be clear that that you

3907
02:35:07,171 --> 02:35:04,931
weren't actually talking about that but

3908
02:35:08,640 --> 02:35:07,181
yes I agree with everything that you say

3909
02:35:10,470 --> 02:35:08,650
even in relation to chariots of the gods

3910
02:35:13,140 --> 02:35:10,480
because it doesn't have to necessarily

3911
02:35:14,850 --> 02:35:13,150
be true - to underscore the influence it

3912
02:35:16,500 --> 02:35:14,860
has had on popular thought you know

3913
02:35:18,690 --> 02:35:16,510
again some have said that it really all

3914
02:35:20,280 --> 02:35:18,700
goes back to HP Lovecraft I think it

3915
02:35:22,140 --> 02:35:20,290
goes even further back than that frankly

3916
02:35:24,000 --> 02:35:22,150
whatever the influences have been the

3917
02:35:26,220 --> 02:35:24,010
influence of that book Chariots of the

3918
02:35:28,500 --> 02:35:26,230
Gods on the alternative community it's

3919
02:35:29,910 --> 02:35:28,510
it's absolutely undeniable we only have

3920
02:35:32,790 --> 02:35:29,920
a couple of minutes left so I just

3921
02:35:36,211 --> 02:35:32,800
raised the larger specter that if these

3922
02:35:38,370 --> 02:35:36,221
remembrances of possible alien visitors

3923
02:35:39,990 --> 02:35:38,380
are based on some kind of drug

3924
02:35:42,091 --> 02:35:40,000
experience does that mean that the Bible

3925
02:35:43,381 --> 02:35:42,101
fits in the same category I think people

3926
02:35:45,330 --> 02:35:43,391
who are religious they're going to freak

3927
02:35:47,730 --> 02:35:45,340
at that question but that goes to follow

3928
02:35:49,440 --> 02:35:47,740
I very well could be in my book magic

3929
02:35:51,240 --> 02:35:49,450
mysticism in the molecule the first book

3930
02:35:53,580 --> 02:35:51,250
I ever came on the para cast to discuss

3931
02:35:55,801 --> 02:35:53,590
with you Jean in that book I actually

3932
02:35:58,080 --> 02:35:55,811
spent a good bit of time looking at the

3933
02:36:00,211 --> 02:35:58,090
Apostle Paul and the road to Damascus

3934
02:36:03,120 --> 02:36:00,221
experience which was very much ecstatic

3935
02:36:04,470 --> 02:36:03,130
kind of hallucinatory vision that he had

3936
02:36:06,480 --> 02:36:04,480
where he claims he rose into the third

3937
02:36:08,700 --> 02:36:06,490
head third heaven and met Jesus Christ

3938
02:36:10,620 --> 02:36:08,710
who of course had purportedly already

3939
02:36:12,540 --> 02:36:10,630
risen from the grave spent time with the

3940
02:36:14,190 --> 02:36:12,550
disciples and then ascended so yeah we

3941
02:36:15,961 --> 02:36:14,200
certainly have to look at that and it

3942
02:36:18,750 --> 02:36:15,971
gets much deeper we look at the writings

3943
02:36:20,551 --> 02:36:18,760
of the likes of Sir James Frazer with

3944
02:36:23,040 --> 02:36:20,561
the golden bough and how he looks at the

3945
02:36:24,750 --> 02:36:23,050
comparative mythology or the way that

3946
02:36:26,580 --> 02:36:24,760
world mythologies can be compared and

3947
02:36:28,830 --> 02:36:26,590
the consistent narrative of the you know

3948
02:36:30,990 --> 02:36:28,840
the son of god of the god king who rises

3949
02:36:32,370 --> 02:36:31,000
from the dead we could certainly look at

3950
02:36:34,830 --> 02:36:32,380
the christian bible and a number of

3951
02:36:37,080 --> 02:36:34,840
other world texts in very much the same

3952
02:36:39,120 --> 02:36:37,090
way i think so yeah i think that's a

3953
02:36:40,921 --> 02:36:39,130
good way to sum things up love agreement

3954
02:36:43,921 --> 02:36:40,931
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3955
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this week no problemo Jean and really

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enjoyed this episode I think we covered

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a lot of ground Micah Hanks thanks for

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joining us on the para cast always my

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pleasure brother Jean thank you brother

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